Jesus was a rebel

[TheSage]

Jesus was a total rebel against the powerful forces of his day. You neocons extolling the virtues of the worldy satanic hierarchy should reconsider your options.

http://www.tamilnation.org/forum/sac...ntha/jesus.htm

So much has been written about this Jewish rebel by so many in so different contexts. I found, how Bernard Shaw described the activities of this Bethlehem rebel quite refreshing in many ways share with. Wrote Shaw:

"Jesus was from the point of view of the High Priest a heretic and an impostor. From the point of view of the merchants he was a rioter and a Communist. From the Roman Imperialist point of view he was a traitor. From the common sense point of view he was a dangerous mad man. From the snobbish point of view, always a very influential one, he was a penniless vagrant.

"From the police point of view he was an obstructer of thoroughfares, a beggar, an associate of prostitutes, an apologist of sinners, and a disparager of judges; and his daily companions were tramps whom he had seduced into vagabondage from their regular trades. From the point of view of the pious he was a Sabbath breaker, a denier of the efficacy of circumcision and the advocate of a strange rite of baptism, a gluttonous man and a wine bibber. He was abhorrent to the medical profession as an unqualified practitioner who healed people by quackery and charged nothing for the treatment.

"He was against the priests, against the judiciary, against the military, against the city (he declared that it was impossible for a rich man to enter the kingdom of heaven), against all the interests, classes, principalities and powers, inviting everybody to abandon all these and follow him.

"By every argument, legal, political, religious, customary and polite, he was the most complete enemy of the society of his time ever brought to the bars He was guilty on every count of the indictment, and on many more that his accusers had not the wit to frame. If he was innocent then the whole world was guilty. To acquit him was to throw over Civilisation and all its institutions. History has borne out the case against him; for no State has ever constituted itself on his principles or made it possible to live according to his commandments."

[darin]

Jesus was a total rebel against the powerful forces of his day. You neocons extolling the virtues of the worldy satanic hierarchy should reconsider your options.

However he was NOT rebelling against Jewish LAW/TEACHINGS...only the "leaders" who were corrupting God's message. Fight your fight against the Pharasees of the day - NOT the old testament.

"He was against the priests, against the judiciary, against the military, against the city (he declared that it was impossible for a rich man to enter the kingdom of heaven), against all the interests, classes, principalities and powers, inviting everybody to abandon all these and follow him.

That's got some lies there...Jesus never declared it was 'impossible' for a rich man to enter into the Kingdom of Heaven. If the auther can't get THAT bit right, he has no credibility speaking of Christ.

[TheSage]

However he was NOT rebelling against Jewish LAW/TEACHINGS...only the "leaders" who were corrupting God's message. Fight your fight against the Pharasees of the day - NOT the old testament.

They were corrupting god's message with the jewish laws. These are not the old testament laws, these are the talmud laws, elitism and racism. Get educated please.

[TheSage]

http://www.tomorrowsworld.org/cgi-bi...tem=1115662605
The scribes among the Pharisees created and transmitted the Pharisaic rabbinical traditions. The body of traditional law that they formulated, called the Halakah (preserved in the Mishnah), is extra-biblical. Although authoritative for Jews who follow Pharisaic tradition, much of the Halakah is not directly supported by Scripture, but is intended as a "hedge" about the law, to prevent any possibility of its being broken.
Ironically, in an attempt to ensure their law-keeping by putting a "hedge" about the law, the Pharisees were breaking the law, for God had said: "You shall not add to the word which I command you, nor take anything from it, that you may keep the commandments of the Lord your God which I command you" (Deuteronomy 4:2; also 12:32). By adding the weight of their tradition to the law of God, they bound "heavy burdens, hard to bear, and lay them on men’s shoulders" (Matthew 23:4).
The Pharisees placed the authority of their traditions above that of Scripture itself, thus going against the word of God. Scripture scholar Joachim Jeremias affirms that for the Pharisees, the oral tradition was "above the Torah," and that the esoteric writings containing scribal teachings were regarded as inspired and surpassing the canonical books "in value and sanctity" (Jerusalem in the Time of Jesus, pp. 236, 238–239). Alfred Edersheim also points out that traditional law was of "even greater obligation than Scripture itself" (The Life and Times of Jesus the Messiah, Book I, 1.98).

The oral tradition is today known as the talmud.

[KarlMarx]

Jesus wasn't here to change the world, but to save Man from sin.

He was the fulfillment of the Law and the Prophets, not the anti-thesis of it.

Matthew 5:17-19: "Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfil. For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled. Whosoever therefore shall break one of these least commandments, and shall teach men so, he shall be called the least in the kingdom of heaven: but whosoever shall do and teach them, the same shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven."

The first true rebel was, and still is, Lucifer or Satan. Because he rebelled against God's rule, he is condemned to eternal damnation, just as all who follow him.

Christianity does not advocate rebellion for the sake of rebellion. Render unto Caesar those things of Caesar and unto God those things of God. In other words, obey the law, unless it contradicts Christian teaching.

I think if you look, you'll notice that the Pharisees and the priests were trying to preserve the status quo. They seem very much like the Democrats and liberals of today, who resist anything that threatens to change their beloved Social Security, big government programs, abortion on demand, and taxation.

[5stringJeff]

Jesus was a total rebel against the powerful forces of his day. You neocons extolling the virtues of the worldy satanic hierarchy should reconsider your options.

If he was innocent then the whole world was guilty.

Indeed, he was innocent, and the whole world is guilty.

[darin]

They were corrupting god's message with the jewish laws. These are not the old testament laws, these are the talmud laws, elitism and racism. Get educated please.

Don't have to be a dick, do you? Was Jesus ever a dick to people? Not to common-folk..ever.

Right - But God's message IS valid - even the message to the Jews. That was Jesus' point. He wasn't mad at Judism - he was mad at the sinners LEADING it.

[TheSage]

Don't have to be a dick, do you? Was Jesus ever a dick to people? Not to common-folk..ever.

Right - But God's message IS valid - even the message to the Jews. That was Jesus' point. He wasn't mad at Judism - he was mad at the sinners LEADING it.

God's message. Not the message of the Oral tradition, as it's called.

[Dilloduck]

Don't have to be a dick, do you? Was Jesus ever a dick to people? Not to common-folk..ever.

Right - But God's message IS valid - even the message to the Jews. That was Jesus' point. He wasn't mad at Judism - he was mad at the sinners LEADING it.

I guess he still is cause it hasnt' changed much.

[TheSage]

Indeed, he was innocent, and the whole world is guilty.

I liked that sentence too.

[5stringJeff]

God's message. Not the message of the Oral tradition, as it's called.

So what's your point? That the Talmud isn't Scripture? You won't get many arguments there.

[darin]

God's message. Not the message of the Oral tradition, as it's called.

(sigh).

Whatever helps you sleep. Seriously. Find Peace.

[TheSage]

(sigh).

Whatever helps you sleep. Seriously. Find Peace.

Ok. King of the girls.

[TheSage]

So what's your point? That the Talmud isn't Scripture? You won't get many arguments there.

Most people seem ignorant of the distinction, actually.

[Nienna]

Jesus lived a life of total submission. He was not a rebel. Suppose a sergeant told a private to drop and do 50, and then a general walked by and said to go peel potatoes. The private gets up and heads to Dfac. Is the private in rebellion? No, he is obeying a higher authority.

Jesus had no rebellion in his heart. His actions toward the Jewish leaders were aimed at restoring rightful authority, not rebelling. The Jewish leaders were in rebellion, not Jesus.


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