Religion's hypocrisy

[Gunny]

My point was it's a function of what one has faith in. There's nothing proven. Nothing known. Only what we believe.

Sorry if I didn't state my point well.

And if I didn't believe I was right, I obviously would not believe, would I?

[jillian]

You mean it's not a function of age ?

Oh hell... I hope not.

[Gunny]

I disagreer. In fact, I think of all/any theories Iv'e heard, a god is the worst example...

You can disagree all you want, but you obviously aren't using common sense and/or logic if you think any other theory is better, because they aren't.

[jillian]

And if I didn't believe I was right, I obviously would not believe, would I?

Same here, no?

[Gunny]

You mean it's not a function of age ?

Faith is menopausal? Bummer.

[Dilloduck]

Oh hell... I hope not.

I mean is 4,000 years somehow better?

[Gunny]

Same here, no?

Again, your point?

[jillian]

I mean is 4,000 years somehow better?

Of course not. Like I said. It's about faith, not the known. I just don't believe that the only means by which one can enter heaven if it exists, is by belief in G-d. Seems what we do during out time on this earth should have at least as much meaning as what we believe in terms of religion.

[Dilloduck]

Of course not. Like I said. It's about faith, not the known. I just don't believe that the only means by which one can enter heaven if it exists, is by belief in G-d. Seems what we do during out time on this earth should have at least as much meaning as what we believe in terms of religion.

I agree--and those of faith seem to also have developed general patterns of behavior.

[Gunny]

Of course not. Like I said. It's about faith, not the known. I just don't believe that the only means by which one can enter heaven if it exists, is by belief in G-d. Seems what we do during out time on this earth should have at least as much meaning as what we believe in terms of religion.

And I said nothing to disagree with you. Perhaps you should have read instead of spoiling for a confrontation, no?

I said: Christ says Man cannot get into Heaven on good works alone. That speaks only to that aspect of "getting into heaven."

We also know we will be judged for how we live our lives on Earth; which, would mean a combination of faith AND being a good person would be the requirement. Right?

[jillian]

I agree--and those of faith seem to also have developed general patterns of behavior.

If all goes as it's supposed to. But I've met athiests who were among the most honorable people I've ever known and religious people who were the biggest crooks and hypocrites I've ever met. That's why I think professed belief can't be all it takes. I mean, don't you think you also have to walk the walk... and if you walk the walk, regardless of what you believe, shouldn't you be rewarded, assuming there's a reward.

[Gunny]

If all goes as it's supposed to. But I've met athiests who were among the most honorable people I've ever known and religious people who were the biggest crooks and hypocrites I've ever met. That's why I think professed belief can't be all it takes. I mean, don't you think you also have to walk the walk... and if you walk the walk, regardless of what you believe, shouldn't you be rewarded, assuming there's a reward.

The answer to your last question is no.

[jillian]

And I said nothing to disagree with you. Perhaps you should have read instead of spoiling for a confrontation, no?

I said: Christ says Man cannot get into Heaven on good works alone. That speaks only to that aspect of "getting into heaven."

We also know we will be judged for how we live our lives on Earth; which, would mean a combination of faith AND being a good person would be the requirement. Right?

I wasn't spoiling for a confrontation at all. I was simply pointing out that there are other beliefs which do not require any belief in Christ. I thought it a fair response, if it offended you, I apologize. Wasn't intentional.

[Dilloduck]

If all goes as it's supposed to. But I've met athiests who were among the most honorable people I've ever known and religious people who were the biggest crooks and hypocrites I've ever met. That's why I think professed belief can't be all it takes. I mean, don't you think you also have to walk the walk... and if you walk the walk, regardless of what you believe, shouldn't you be rewarded, assuming there's a reward.

How can anyone ever tell if a Jew is "walking the walk" ?

[Gunny]

I wasn't spoiling for a confrontation at all. I was simply pointing out that there are other beliefs which do not require any belief in Christ. I thought it a fair response, if it offended you, I apologize. Wasn't intentional.

I'm not offended. I can also understand why you would not put faith in Christ's words, since denying Him as the Son of God and savior of Man defines your religion.

However, IIRC, belief in God is STILL a requirement of Judaism, and good works alone STILL will not get you to Heaven.

In all honestly, I do not profess to know what God's answer is, nor what His actions will be. I'm telling you what the Bible says. You have never heard me condemn anyone to Hell, and I'm not about to.

Grump asked and I answered, based on my beliefs, not yours and everyone else's. Obviously, since Grump is a nonbeliever, it really doesn't matter to him anyway.