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    Quote Originally Posted by manu1959 View Post
    how about conservatives that are not christians.....think they exist?

    Sure. Tons.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Birdzeye View Post
    Me.

    Are you Pro-Death of the unborn? Do you support special rights protecting/sanctioning homosexuality? Do you feel pastors should preach against ALL sin - even homosexuality? Do you doubt any parts of the Bible? Are there MANY ways to Heaven?
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    Quote Originally Posted by dmp View Post
    Sure. Tons.
    so why not the other

    "I would rather live my life as if there is a God and die to find out there isn't, than live my life as if there isn't and die to find out there is."

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    Quote Originally Posted by dmp View Post
    Are you Pro-Death of the unborn? Do you support special rights protecting/sanctioning homosexuality? Do you feel pastors should preach against ALL sin - even homosexuality? Do you doubt any parts of the Bible? Are there MANY ways to Heaven?
    What is the relevence of those questions? If pastors preach ONLY the above does that mean they are the ONLY true Christians?

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    Quote Originally Posted by manu1959 View Post
    how about conservatives that are not christians.....think they exist?
    Unless I'm a figment of your imagination, they exist.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Grumplestillskin View Post
    What is the relevence of those questions? If pastors preach ONLY the above does that mean they are the ONLY true Christians?
    The relevence of those questions is obvious to a Christian, as depending on the answers one can know if they follow Christ or not. If pastors preach anything but the repentance of sin - INCLUDING homosexuality - if the Pastors preach of the sanctity of life - If pastors preach against the bible being infallible - they are NOT Christians.
    “… the greatest detractor from high performance is fear: fear that you are not prepared, fear that you are in over your head, fear that you are not worthy, and ultimately, fear of failure. If you can eliminate that fear—not through arrogance or just wishing difficulties away, but through hard work and preparation—you will put yourself in an incredibly powerful position to take on the challenges you face" - Pete Carroll.

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    Quote Originally Posted by manu1959 View Post
    so why not the other
    Because liberals tend to promote ideas which are clearly anti-God.
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    Lawyers representing a Massachusetts school district named as a defendant in a parent's civil rights complaint have said teachers at Estabrook Elementary School have a "legitimate state interest" in teaching the homosexual lifestyle, and parents have no input into those decisions.

    Ironically in this case, this is the lowest standard interest the government has to prove (the BOP is actually on the plaintiff).

    However, they are intruding on family beliefs, those are of the highest scrutiny. So not sure how they weasel "legitimate" out of this.

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    The state must fight 'discrimination on the basis of sexual orientation' in ways that 'do not perpetuate stereotypes,'" the lawyers for the school district argued. They also explained to the judge that, in their opinion, parents have no right to control what ideas the school presents to elementary schoolchildren, and if parents disagree with that dictate, they can take their children elsewhere.
    Here is the fun or not:

    who determines what 'sexual orientation' is good or bad? If parents have no control, then a sado/child molester should not be discriminated against. Heck, it is just their orientation.

    The question then becomes:

    What is normal, who determines, and what is discrimination?

    ok, question(s)

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    Quote Originally Posted by dmp View Post
    The relevence of those questions is obvious to a Christian, as depending on the answers one can know if they follow Christ or not. If pastors preach anything but the repentance of sin - INCLUDING homosexuality - if the Pastors preach of the sanctity of life - If pastors preach against the bible being infallible - they are NOT Christians.
    With all due respect, what the Pastors preach is supposed to guide their congregations. It's irrelevant to government determination of any particular issue.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jillian View Post
    With all due respect, what the Pastors preach is supposed to guide their congregations. It's irrelevant to government determination of any particular issue.
    Right - Christians cannot support some of the things i've mentioned. Christians cannot be supportive of the abortion situation which currently exists. It's anti-God. Christians cannot be supportive of the homo-situation as it currently exists (there are some churches PROMOTING Homosexual pastors - that flies in the face of God).
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    Quote Originally Posted by dmp View Post
    Right - Christians cannot support some of the things i've mentioned. Christians cannot be supportive of the abortion situation which currently exists. It's anti-God. Christians cannot be supportive of the homo-situation as it currently exists (there are some churches PROMOTING Homosexual pastors - that flies in the face of God).
    I understand your religious objections. But, again, those objections can't shape government policy. I don't think anyone asks you to support gay rights. But that doesn't mean you're entitled to laws prohibiting gay marriage simply because your religion dictates a particular pov.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jillian View Post
    I understand your religious objections. But, again, those objections can't shape government policy. I don't think anyone asks you to support gay rights. But that doesn't mean you're entitled to laws prohibiting gay marriage simply because your religion dictates a particular pov.
    Why shouldn't religion be given a chance to shape government policy? I mean liberal secularism has been such a resounding success, right?

    Apparently state supreme courts all across this land disagree with you on whether we can prohibit queer marriage as in every state where its been challenged on constitutional grounds its been upheld. Guess you are wrong again as usual.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jillian View Post
    I understand your religious objections. But, again, those objections can't shape government policy. I don't think anyone asks you to support gay rights. But that doesn't mean you're entitled to laws prohibiting gay marriage simply because your religion dictates a particular pov.
    Are you changing the topic now?

    Aight, I suppose. Whatever.
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    Even liberal New York upheld queer marriage ban:

    http://pewforum.org/news/rss.php?NewsID=10827

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    Quote Originally Posted by OCA View Post
    Why shouldn't religion be given a chance to shape government policy? I mean liberal secularism has been such a resounding success, right?

    Apparently state supreme courts all across this land disagree with you on whether we can prohibit queer marriage as in every state where its been challenged on constitutional grounds its been upheld. Guess you are wrong again as usual.
    Well, that's actually a good question. Say we for a moment decided to forget about the Constitution's separation of church and state and said, ok, let's give religion a chance. Whose religion? The answer to that question is what makes it a violation of the Constitution, because the answer has to be you can't choose ANYONE'S religion to shape government since there are many different religious groups comprising this country, none of which can be given preference.

    As for your second paragraph, you saying something or just spouting off as usual?

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