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    Quote Originally Posted by Grumplestillskin View Post
    Well, that would be one solution. Totally uncivilised, but a solution nonetheless..
    And WAR is civilised?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mr. P View Post
    And WAR is civilised?
    I think we've proven enough that war cannot be fought by arbitrary, holier-than-thou rules. I got called a dinosaur for thinking we should wage total war.

    Which war that we fought unconditionally as a total war have we lost? None.

    How many have we won trying to be PC? None.

    The evidence is pretty clear to me.
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    Quote Originally Posted by dmp View Post
    Doing so would mean "Leave Iraq to Al-Qaida." Do you 'really' want OBL to command Iraq and all of it's resources?
    Won't happen..

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mr. P View Post
    And WAR is civilised?
    Not really, but aspects of it can be. That is why there is the GC

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gunny View Post
    I think we've proven enough that war cannot be fought by arbitrary, holier-than-thou rules. I got called a dinosaur for thinking we should wage total war.

    Which war that we fought unconditionally as a total war have we lost? None.

    How many have we won trying to be PC? None.

    The evidence is pretty clear to me.
    Agreed.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Grumplestillskin View Post
    Not really, but aspects of it can be. That is why there is the GC
    Which aspects?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Grumplestillskin View Post
    Won't happen..
    Leaving Iraq now would all but insure a fundamentalist Islamic government. It doesn't matter whether or not it is AQ and/or bin Laden specifically.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mr. P View Post
    Which aspects?
    Limiting civilian casualties. Treating POW;s humanely....

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gunny View Post
    Leaving Iraq now would all but insure a fundamentalist Islamic government. It doesn't matter whether or not it is AQ and/or bin Laden specifically.
    I'd be surprised if there is any form of cohesive govt after the US pulls out...Might be for six months or so, but I'm thinking more along the lines of Somalia or Afghanistan....

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    Quote Originally Posted by Grumplestillskin View Post
    Limiting civilian casualties. Treating POW;s humanely....
    Pow's Ok..civilians? Civilians need to get the fuck out..bombs aren't selective..
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mr. P View Post
    Pow's Ok..civilians? Civilians need to get the fuck out..bombs aren't selective..
    If the civilians would start shooting these asshats when they try to hide out among them, and rat them out at every turn, this would be a LOT easier.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Gunny View Post
    If the civilians would start shooting these asshats when they try to hide out among them, and rat them out at every turn, this would be a LOT easier.
    That's the damn truth.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gunny View Post
    If the civilians would start shooting these asshats when they try to hide out among them, and rat them out at every turn, this would be a LOT easier.
    Yup.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mr. P View Post
    Yup.
    The "civilians that start shooting asshats" need a leader, a cause and a name to rally around. I think the cause has to be Iraqi sovereignty.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dilloduck View Post
    The "civilians that start shooting asshats" need a leader, a cause and a name to rally around. I think the cause has to be Iraqi sovereignty.
    Sure does! My tax $$$ doesn't need to go there in aid. Hell no, not when they have all that oil to pay the bills!!!!
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