Respecting Women - a non-derailed discussion

[avatar4321]

I should probably be asleep, but I have an issue on my mind and I really want to write it out. I am sick and tired of seeing men disrespecting and oggling women. I have alot of friends who are female, and I have seen what men treating them like trash can do to them. I am just sick and tired of watching my friends get hurt by men who think of them as nothing but sex objects. These are our mothers, our sisters, our wives, our daughters, our friends. They shouldn't be treated like objects meant solely for our personal gratification.

Yet, everywhere I go I see women being treated badly. In the media. By people on the web. By guys who take them out and should be uplifting them but instead seek only their personal gratification and don't give a damn about their feelings. It's wrong. If we keep degrading the women in our lives we end up degrading society.

It's just down right incredible to me. I've studied history on how women fought for equal rights. Instead of being treated like equals they end up getting treated like garbage, portrayed as sluts, or worse abused more than ever. The so called "sexual revolution" which was supposed to liberate women has done nothing but allow men to use them as playtoys and toss them aside when they are done with them.

What is even more incredible to me is the attacks I receive when suggesting women should be respected. When I tell people I don't want to see naked or half naked women parading around in the media, especially in stories where there is absolutely no need to do it other than to sensualize the show, I get told I must be gay or something. For what? For actually caring about women? For not wanting to see any woman exploited? I know this might be a foreign concept to some guys, but there is more to life than boobs. There is more to women than boobs too. I can assure you the women I've gone out with have appreciated that and can certainly attest that I am in no wise gay for having these views.

Or I might get told I'm sexist. Apparently wanting to treat women with respect is sexist to some people. But you know what, I don't care any more. If treating people with kindness and respect is sexist or thinking chivalry is respectable is gay, I don't care. I am going to do what I can to treat women well. I am going to continue to speak out against exploitation by the media. I am going to continue to lift up the women I meet and help them see their true worth. I am going to do what I can to show that they are daughters of God and heirs to a divine birthright.

The first changes will always be the ones I have to make in myself. But I will speak out against disrespect and exploitation in order to persuade others to do the same. I believe people can change the world. They start with themselves and then speak out to persuade others to live better. All they need is the courage and convinction to do what is right.

So I invite the men who read this, treat women with respect, forsake media that depicts them negatively, cultivate love with your wife, your sisters, your mother, your daughters. Love, the feeling where you would do anything including giving your own life for them. Learn to be selfless. Flee pornography which can destroy your mind, your heart, and your relationships. You can enrich your relationships by being respectful and showing love.

I invite the women who read this to realize they have self worth. Don't let men exploit you. Don't participate in media that will degrade you, other women, and the men who might watch. Stand up for what's right and what's good and shame the men into action if you have to.

Society can only get better if we work together to make it so. And there is always something we can do. So choose now to do it. Make society better. Or choose not to and make society worse for each other and for our children. I've made my choice. You make yours.

[Abbey Marie]

I wish I could have voted for this for best post.

Get ready for the onslaught, Av. As I am sure you know, it always comes when you stand up for dignity and respect, and when you mention the media's role.

[Kathianne]

I wish I could have voted for this for best post.

Get ready for the onslaught, Av. As I am sure you know, it always comes when you stand up for dignity and respect, and when you mention the media's role.

I agree with you both. I'd also like to say that the entertainment media has been putting down men for quite long enough. Those that feature children, manage to put down parents in general. It's the 'kids' that are the smart ones and parents are bumbling fools.

[LiberalNation]

I invite the women who read this to realize they have self worth. Don't let men exploit you.

lol, k. I don't date guys or get oogled. Then I don't try to look atractive.

[glockmail]

....I am sick and tired of seeing men disrespecting and oggling women. .....

I'd say that most get what they deserve based on how thay dress and how they act. We have a pornigraphic culture and guys are going to respond to cleavage, tats, exposed bellies and trashy talk.

[avatar4321]

I'd say that most get what they deserve based on how thay dress and how they act. We have a pornigraphic culture and guys are going to respond to cleavage, tats, exposed bellies and trashy talk.

That's why it takes men of courage and conviction to buck the culture.

[JohnDoe]

bravo avatar!

jd

[Classact]

That's why it takes men of courage and conviction to buck the culture.

Our culture is based on Christian values and women that look, other than Christian conservative in public are begging for your so called unwanted attention. The answer is to dress conservatively or enjoy it in that short period of their life when they are in demand and admired for their beauty and sexuality. For that period is a small window in a woman's life so why not revel in it.

Here in Puerto Rico 99.99999% of the population is religious and if a woman looks "hot" and is out alone or in a small group of like hotties they get whistles and horns and they seem to eat it up. This reminds me of a funny army story so you can find my explanation of Christian values there...

[glockmail]

That's why it takes men of courage and conviction to buck the culture.

There's not that many around any more. The femanization of America, along with taking God out of public discourse have seen to that.

[gabosaurus]

Nice thought, but it's never going to fly. Because in our society (in which this board is a microcosm of), men have been thought to think with their dicks instead of their brains. Women are second-class citizens who are more respected for their bodies than their accomplishments.
Strong men are studly, strong women are dykes and lesbians. That thinking is inbred in sports ideology. Not to mention military ideology. Men are the macho protectors of feminine virtue. Women are supposed to submit to the whims and ideals of men.

I do demand respect because of my gender. Women also foot the bill, provide supply and work all their lives. They don't usually get respect for such, because many men are still stuck in the cave man era.
I was raised to be self-supportive and self reliant. I can do anything you can do, and be smarter doing such. I don't waste time sitting around discussing football and sneaking looks at my office help. I can and will be your boss, if I choose to do so. You were brought up to embrace limited skills and a limited way of thinking. We are broader minded, more demanding and more goal oriented.
Women are no longer satisfied with being equal to men. We can now be superior to men. You just haven't accepted it yet. Perhaps you never will.

As for our feminine appearance, it's all in the way you use it. I know very strong women who dress to impress. They know they can command attention with the way they look.
It is past the time for women to be offended by remarks and whistles from men. You simply consider the source and use it to your advantage.
My best friend Lauren lives in northern England with her husband and son. She works at the company owned by her husband and his brother. Several of the office women have kids, so they have a day care in their office.
Lauren often has lunch and dinner by herself, just to have an hour alone. As you might expect, a young single blonde girl with a 38DD chest is going to attract a lot of attention in a pub. She doesn't often have to pay for drinks. Guys who try to get more have a wedding ring waved in their face.
Did I mention that Lauren is a kick boxer? She was sparing once with a U.S. Navy Seal (male) and broke his jaw. He wasn't quick enough to fend off the blow.
Guy wasn't wearing the usual helmet because he was "sparring with a woman."

[avatar4321]

Our culture is based on Christian values and women that look, other than Christian conservative in public are begging for your so called unwanted attention. The answer is to dress conservatively or enjoy it in that short period of their life when they are in demand and admired for their beauty and sexuality. For that period is a small window in a woman's life so why not revel in it.

Here in Puerto Rico 99.99999% of the population is religious and if a woman looks "hot" and is out alone or in a small group of like hotties they get whistles and horns and they seem to eat it up. This reminds me of a funny army story so you can find my explanation of Christian values there...

I dont think I can say that our culture is based on Christian values. I think that Christian values would appear extreme. Even if they are simply be respectful.

[gabosaurus]

Avatar, you have to expect this bullshit from some people. They are not intelligent enough to have a valid argument on the subject at hand, so they lapse back into the same old tired Dem vs. GOP, Conservative vs. Liberal crapola.
What they need is a woman to come along and kick their butts.

[nevadamedic]

I should probably be asleep, but I have an issue on my mind and I really want to write it out. I am sick and tired of seeing men disrespecting and oggling women. I have alot of friends who are female, and I have seen what men treating them like trash can do to them. I am just sick and tired of watching my friends get hurt by men who think of them as nothing but sex objects. These are our mothers, our sisters, our wives, our daughters, our friends. They shouldn't be treated like objects meant solely for our personal gratification.

Yet, everywhere I go I see women being treated badly. In the media. By people on the web. By guys who take them out and should be uplifting them but instead seek only their personal gratification and don't give a damn about their feelings. It's wrong. If we keep degrading the women in our lives we end up degrading society.

It's just down right incredible to me. I've studied history on how women fought for equal rights. Instead of being treated like equals they end up getting treated like garbage, portrayed as sluts, or worse abused more than ever. The so called "sexual revolution" which was supposed to liberate women has done nothing but allow men to use them as playtoys and toss them aside when they are done with them.

What is even more incredible to me is the attacks I receive when suggesting women should be respected. When I tell people I don't want to see naked or half naked women parading around in the media, especially in stories where there is absolutely no need to do it other than to sensualize the show, I get told I must be gay or something. For what? For actually caring about women? For not wanting to see any woman exploited? I know this might be a foreign concept to some guys, but there is more to life than boobs. There is more to women than boobs too. I can assure you the women I've gone out with have appreciated that and can certainly attest that I am in no wise gay for having these views.

Or I might get told I'm sexist. Apparently wanting to treat women with respect is sexist to some people. But you know what, I don't care any more. If treating people with kindness and respect is sexist or thinking chivalry is respectable is gay, I don't care. I am going to do what I can to treat women well. I am going to continue to speak out against exploitation by the media. I am going to continue to lift up the women I meet and help them see their true worth. I am going to do what I can to show that they are daughters of God and heirs to a divine birthright.

The first changes will always be the ones I have to make in myself. But I will speak out against disrespect and exploitation in order to persuade others to do the same. I believe people can change the world. They start with themselves and then speak out to persuade others to live better. All they need is the courage and convinction to do what is right.

So I invite the men who read this, treat women with respect, forsake media that depicts them negatively, cultivate love with your wife, your sisters, your mother, your daughters. Love, the feeling where you would do anything including giving your own life for them. Learn to be selfless. Flee pornography which can destroy your mind, your heart, and your relationships. You can enrich your relationships by being respectful and showing love.

I invite the women who read this to realize they have self worth. Don't let men exploit you. Don't participate in media that will degrade you, other women, and the men who might watch. Stand up for what's right and what's good and shame the men into action if you have to.

Society can only get better if we work together to make it so. And there is always something we can do. So choose now to do it. Make society better. Or choose not to and make society worse for each other and for our children. I've made my choice. You make yours.

Your not the only one, I hate it when women are only looked at as a piece of meet or how long until I can land this one.

[Classact]

I dont think I can say that our culture is based on Christian values. I think that Christian values would appear extreme. Even if they are simply be respectful.

Christian values are what make women with breast exposure or showing a lot of leg exciting. American women want it both ways... they want to look hot but they don't want men to notice. A hot dressed American woman could go to Germany and be ignored... in my last Army story in the lounge I spelled out why secular is boring and Christian values is sexually exciting. In one part of the story I spoke about a German woman, a goddess, getting nude in front of me in a public swimming area... guess what, not one German man or boy turned their head to notice the gorgeous, legs all the way up to her ass, way up firm and high pups because they didn't associate the woman's body with sexuality. Go read the story and get back with me. In Secular Germany girls advertising bras start off nude and then put the bra on during TV commercials... only Christian values Americans notice this fact... German men are not interested in a nude woman regardless if she is a train wreck beauty if it isn't in a sexual situation. Duh, I know that is hard to grasp... I did a lot of grasping getting used to this thinking too. Germans are still scratching their heads wondering about the story of the "wardrobe malfunction"... they, like you are clueless to the difference of sexuality in secular/Christian values cultures.

[Hagbard Celine]

Christian values are what make women with breast exposure or showing a lot of leg exciting. American women want it both ways... they want to look hot but they don't want men to notice. A hot dressed American woman could go to Germany and be ignored... in my last Army story in the lounge I spelled out why secular is boring and Christian values is sexually exciting. In one part of the story I spoke about a German woman, a goddess, getting nude in front of me in a public swimming area... guess what, not one German man or boy turned their head to notice the gorgeous, legs all the way up to her ass, way up firm and high pups because they didn't associate the woman's body with sexuality. Go read the story and get back with me. In Secular Germany girls advertising bras start off nude and then put the bra on during TV commercials... only Christian values Americans notice this fact... German men are not interested in a nude woman regardless if she is a train wreck beauty if it isn't in a sexual situation. Duh, I know that is hard to grasp... I did a lot of grasping getting used to this thinking too. Germans are still scratching their heads wondering about the story of the "wardrobe malfunction"... they, like you are clueless to the difference of sexuality in secular/Christian values cultures.

Sexuality is universally associated with people's bodies. It is in Germany too. If it weren't, Heidi Klum would've been out of a job. The difference between Christian/wacky religious and secular is that "sin" and guilt is associated with the body in the religious context. In the secular, it isn't. The body just is. We all have one and it's beautiful and something to be proud of rather than something to be sequestered away and whispered about under your breath. Apparently Germans understand this, but judging from the ape-like reaction we got from mainstream conservative America when Janet Jackson flashed her saggy tit at the Superbowl, Americans do not.

Hope I didn't make anybody cry by "derailing" the thread. P*ssies.