Yes, our job there is done, we should begin pulling out.
No, our job there isn't done, we should stay, indefinitely.
Not sure
Don't care
Letting the generals decide. I know for a fact that I don't know enough about military and strategy to decide whats in the best interest for the US military. Although, honestly, i would love to learn more about that.
And I certainly dont want to see all those who have died to have died in vain. But i dont want them there forever.
I agree. From what I've read, which is quite a lot, the draw down on the surge begins in Jan. By June, at the latest, barring no unforseen problems, the draw down begins to extend to those numbers beyond the surge. There isn't a 'time table' but it's been laid out, in both the MSM and by Petraeus.
In my opinion, Generals are good for giving advice on "how to win a war." I don't think it should be up to them "why to fight a war."
If troops have died in vain, it won't be because we pull out, it will be because bush sent them in there when we shouldn't have gone in the first place, and then subsequently fucked up the aftermath even though we did.
You're now convinced that the war was wrong in the first place? It doesn't matter a whit then if the 'job is done' or not. The troops were fuked in the first place. It doesn't matter how many AQI they killed. It doesn't matter about Saddam. None of it matters, in your opinion?
No, I don't think we should have gone in there. It wasn't our job. If the rest of the world didn't give a damn about Saddam and what he was doing, and weren't willing to go in WITH US, and STAY WITH US, then we shouldn't have been there either. Other means should have been used other than a full blown invasion by the USA. That is NOT what our constitution says we should be doing, and that isn't how this country operated in the past, and now it's turned into nation building. When did we get in that business? Who authorized that?
So what about Korea? They're late on their nuclear dismantling. Should we invade them? And what about Iran? Invade? So what about the new killing in Kenya? Should we invade? Why don't we just invade anybody and everybody? Why stop at Iraq? What was so special about Iraq? Oh yeah... oil.
Last edited by Pale Rider; 12-31-2007 at 04:03 PM.
It should be up to them to say whether we've done what we set out to do. However, it's obvious that we have done that, as there is a government, and army, and a police force in place.
I still agree that we should have gone in the first place, although I think that we are to the point where every extra day we are there is a day too long.If troops have died in vain, it won't be because we pull out, it will be because bush sent them in there when we shouldn't have gone in the first place, and then subsequently fucked up the aftermath even though we did.
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Yea, we should hold off on the invasions for awhile.
Maybe a few well placed nuke's IS the answer to the worlds problems.
We did the right thing, we did it for the right reasons, and though there has been life lost, many more have been saved.
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Looking forward does serve a purpose, and brings worth, and goodness to a deed well done.
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Depends on what our job was in the first place. If it was to stop terrorism leaving will leave an unstable country and terrorist hot bed. If it was to make Iraq a stable democracy and stop the killing then leaving at this point means failing.
But then what are winning staying.
Bush won't let the generals decide, he keeps fighting the war with more emphasis on the political than the strategical(if thats a word lol).
Lets face it, the Iraqis are not ever going to be a cohesive nation, ever. The minute we leave, whether its tomorrow or 10 years from now, the Sunnis ans the Shiites are gonna go at it for control of the country, we should just let that happen and see where the chips fall.