Contact these turncoats...

[Gunny]

for the sake of arguement, why don't you tell us what you think it means...

Why? You feel like arguing with me again?

[Gunny]

are you calling the quagmire in iraq a victory?

oy...

Obviously, anything I declared today would be premature, wouldn't it?

You know as well as I do that we could easily clean that place up in 3 months. It's just no one's got the stones to do it, it seems.

However, I hardly consider it the "quagmire" some would attempt to have everyone believe.

[Gunny]

It's the bushies that keep changing the reason we invaded... First it was WMD... then it was to "liberate" them, then it was to bring democracy to them...

what is it now, gunny?

Sorry, but you would be incorrect. WMD's were NEVER a sole reason for invading Iraq.

[Gunny]

Now that's just disingenious.

In GWB'S March 22, 2003 radio address, he said:

THE PRESIDENT: Good morning. American and coalition forces have begun a concerted campaign against the regime of Saddam Hussein. In this war, our coalition is broad, more than 40 countries from across the globe. Our cause is just, the security of the nations we serve and the peace of the world. And our mission is clear, to disarm Iraq of weapons of mass destruction, to end Saddam Hussein's support for terrorism, and to free the Iraqi people.

http://www.whitehouse.gov/news/relea.../20030322.html

Rater disengenuous, or blind I should say, for you to bold what you want and ignore the rest which supports DMP's statement.

[Gaffer]

The tigger needs to simplify his posts. Instead of constantly rehashing the demo manta and talking points he just needs to post "I HATE BUSH". He must have spent the past week watching every network talking head and taking notes for the posts here.

And when he's given facts like Steph gave him he blows them off.

[Gunny]

I don't know, who? I live near Walter Reed and near Bethesda Naval Hospital and I can tell you from personal expereience being in both places that they are first rate, bith in facilities and treatment.......but then again you quoted the Post which has mega left bias and the SF Gate(Chronicle) well we all know about S.F., hell they keep electing Pelosi, need I say more?

They just opened a super-mega-rehab center here at Brooke Army Medical Center for vets returning with disabling injuries. Also had a brand new VA hospital built within the past 5 years.

[TheStripey1]

No, pronounced yeeero.

really?

maybe the guys at the place where I used to buy them had a different accent...

never can tell tho... cuz it was a lonnnnnnnnng time ago...

I sit corrected...

yeeeero it is...

[TheStripey1]

IMO you can't be for the soldiers but run down their mission at the same time....a square peg don't fit into a round hole.

their mission sucks... doesn't mean they do...

[TheStripey1]

The Democrats?

nooooooo, steffy, the republicans... they are the ones that have been in power for the last six years... the dems just took over Congress last month...

[TheStripey1]

Also give thenm very simple ROE: kill the enemy where you find him.

define "the enemy" as it applies to Iraq...

[Grumplestillskin]

Obviously, you are ignorant as to what Article 86 of the UCMJ, Absent Without Leave/Unathorized Absence is. Bush was transfered from TXANG to the ALANG via a set of orders. The orders nullify your accusation.

IMO he went AWOL. In yours and Jim's Kerry is a traitor.

[Grumplestillskin]

Sorry, but you would be incorrect. WMD's were NEVER a sole reason for invading Iraq.

What were the other MAIN reasons....

[TheStripey1]

Perhaps you should follow your own advice.

A) An honest person would not make allegations without evidence. Feel free to produce the charge sheet in which President Bush was charged with violation Article 86, UCMJ.

B) As far as your boy Kerry goes, I offered a choice based on the evidence presented. He's either a liar, or a shitty officer so not quite the "hero" you left wingnuts try to make him out to be.

IMO, he's both. That's based on factual evidence NOT supplied by Swifties, but by Kerry himself.

C) So go soak your head on that for awhile. And if you feel insulted by anything I have posted, YOU set the tone of the conversation. I'm erely responding to your Left Wingnut Hanbook rhetoric and holier than thou, nasty disposition.

C) whoa now, gunny... you right wingnutz also shoot from the hip without knowing who you're talking to... you did it with me... remember?

B) he's a hero in the sense that he volunteered for Viet Nam... and I don't think they hand out Bronze or Silver Stars to just any trooper... you have to actually DO something to earn them... unlike the Purple Heart where you just had to be in the wrong place at the right time...

A) No Art 86 for bush just as there was no treason charge for Kerry or Jane fonda but that doesn't stop right wingers from claiming they are traitors... now does it?

[Grumplestillskin]

The tigger needs to simplify his posts. Instead of constantly rehashing the demo manta and talking points he just needs to post "I HATE BUSH". He must have spent the past week watching every network talking head and taking notes for the posts here.

And when he's given facts like Steph gave him he blows them off.

Which part of "I don't like Dems either" don't you understand. Because somebody doesn't like Bush, doesn't automatically make them a Dem...If you read his posts you wouldn't say the above...

[TheStripey1]

Doesn't take right-wing whacko to think that Kerry, acting on his own, went to the Paris Peace Accords and collaborted with the North Vietnamese, an enemy at war with the US at the time, engaged in treason. I don't know what else you would call it.

Fortuantely for Kerry, the bar for proving treason is so high, he slipped under the radar due to that, and the politicla climate at the time.

His disagreement with the war has nothing to do with the allegation of treason.

but was he charged?

you can't use the arguement that bush wasn't charged with being AWOL therefore it didn't happen and then turn around and charge Kerry with treason... cuz gunny, the high courts don't agree with you...

get over it already...