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    Quote Originally Posted by avatar4321 View Post
    The only problem with that is I don't think it will have a positive impact on race relations. Those people who are racist, regardless of minority or majority status, are still going to be racist. I think the idea that voting for a half-black candidate for President is going to fix race relations is incredibly naive.

    The only thing that can heal race relations are people learning to take responsibility for their actions and forgive one another.
    Yes, there are still racists among us, but think of how much less there are than in the '50s, '60s, or even the '70s. The hard-core racists are dying off and they're not being replaced.

    For many black people in this country, their perception (rightly or wrongly) is that the deck is stacked against them and it's a white man's world. Having a black man as president will eliminate all of that. Obama will be a wonderful role model for black men.

    For that matter, he'll be a good role model for anybody, black, white, Asian, or whatever.

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    I haven't read all of this thread, but to be honest with you, as a Conservative, White, Male recovering Republican; I worry about Obama's safety too. I do not support the man, but I worry that some crackpot whether he be a redneck racist who would be damned before he let a person of color sit in the desk at the oval office or a crackpot democrat who wants to make sure the first woman President sits there in 2009, I fear that someone will attempt to have his/her will trump that of the American people.

    I may not like the choice made in November, but this is my country and I love it... right or wrong. I'll stick by it no matter who is elected.

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    For it is by Grace you have been saved, through faith -- and this not of yourselves, it is the gift of God -- not by works, so that no one can boast. Eph 2:8-9

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    Quote Originally Posted by nevadamedic View Post
    It's called common sense
    Again your agument is weak and you have not convinced anyone.

    http://www.debatepolicy.com/showthre...972#post208972

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    Quote Originally Posted by MtnBiker View Post
    Again your agument is weak and you have not convinced anyone.

    http://www.debatepolicy.com/showthre...972#post208972
    I agree completely...and regarding the linked post, I think the fact that Nevadamedic and four of his rep buddies occupy five of the top ten reputation spots is proof positive that the system is not a measure of anyone's ability to articulate a position or argue an issue, but nothing more than gooey evidence of an adolescent cyber-circle jerk.

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    Quote Originally Posted by manfrommaine View Post
    he's not a muslim. stop it.
    What's wrong if he is? Are you saying Democrats are predjudiced?

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    Quote Originally Posted by glockmail View Post
    What's wrong if he is? Are you saying Democrats are predjudiced?
    no. I am just saying that your pos rep circle jerk pal, nevadamedic, is incorrect.

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    Quote Originally Posted by manfrommaine View Post
    no. I am just saying that your pos rep circle jerk pal, nevadamedic, is incorrect.
    If he's an inconsequential circle jerk, then what difference does it make?

    I think that you're worried about your beloved, and prejudiced, Democrats.

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    Quote Originally Posted by glockmail View Post
    If he's an inconsequential circle jerk, then what difference does it make?

    I think that you're worried about your beloved, and prejudiced, Democrats.
    It doesn't make any "difference".....when you think about it, none of the words that appear on this website actually make a difference.... but we still gather her to discuss politics, and, in that spirit, I think speaking accurately makes sense and I like to call folks on it who don't.

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    Quote Originally Posted by GW in Ohio View Post
    Yes, there are still racists among us, but think of how much less there are than in the '50s, '60s, or even the '70s. The hard-core racists are dying off and they're not being replaced.

    For many black people in this country, their perception (rightly or wrongly) is that the deck is stacked against them and it's a white man's world. Having a black man as president will eliminate all of that. Obama will be a wonderful role model for black men.

    For that matter, he'll be a good role model for anybody, black, white, Asian, or whatever.
    Condeleeza Rice, Colen Powell, Clarence Thomas have all been excellent role models for blacks. They haven't changed the perception. Why do you think Obama will?

    I completely agree that if you are logical this should. But people arent logical. People dont change their minds do to facts.
    If we were as industrious to become good as to make ourselves great, we should become really great by being good, and the number of valuable men would be much increased; but it is a grand mistake to think of being great without goodness; and i pronounce it as certain that there was never yet a truly great man that was not at the same time truly virtuous." - Ben Franklin

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    Quote Originally Posted by avatar4321 View Post
    Condeleeza Rice, Colen Powell, Clarence Thomas have all been excellent role models for blacks. They haven't changed the perception. Why do you think Obama will?

    I completely agree that if you are logical this should. But people arent logical. People dont change their minds do to facts.
    1. None of those people was president. They don't have the visibility of the prez.

    2. Condoleezza Rice? Who gives a rip about her?

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    Quote Originally Posted by GW in Ohio View Post
    1. None of those people was president. They don't have the visibility of the prez.

    2. Condoleezza Rice? Who gives a rip about her?
    I am going to disagree with you here. I think this will make the race baiting more shrill. Not lessen tensions.
    If we were as industrious to become good as to make ourselves great, we should become really great by being good, and the number of valuable men would be much increased; but it is a grand mistake to think of being great without goodness; and i pronounce it as certain that there was never yet a truly great man that was not at the same time truly virtuous." - Ben Franklin

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    Quote Originally Posted by nevadamedic View Post
    He does it privatly, if he does it publically he knows his career is over. He attended the Muslim school first and was already brainwashed then it was to late to get out the evil that was already planted in his head.

    If you believe this bullshit then yu are the one who is brainwashed.
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    Quote Originally Posted by GW in Ohio View Post
    ...

    For many black people in this country, their perception (rightly or wrongly) is that the deck is stacked against them and it's a white man's world. Having a black man as president will eliminate all of that. Obama will be a wonderful role model for black men.
    ...
    If he's elected, based on his proposals, he'll be just like Jiminy Carter, the worst president of the 20th century. Remember 16% inflation, gas lines, and American hostages in Iran? Some role model.

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    Quote Originally Posted by glockmail View Post
    If he's elected, based on his proposals, he'll be just like Jiminy Carter, the worst president of the 20th century. Remember 16% inflation, gas lines, and American hostages in Iran? Some role model.
    Oil was $28 a barrel when your hero Dubya took office. He said that he would "jawbone" those oil producing nations to keep the price of oil down.

    It hit $102 today.

    People in glass houses ought not to throw stones.
    Last edited by retiredman; 02-27-2008 at 09:22 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MtnBiker View Post
    Again your agument is weak and you have not convinced anyone.

    http://www.debatepolicy.com/showthre...972#post208972
    That has no relevance in this thread. Besides posting what someone said to me in a Rep comment doesn't prove anything.

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