Good Morning Manu,
actually, i personally believe that our mess in the middle east began with the British overreach of colonialism....
Yes, I think that Reagan walking away from what happened in Lebanon, and him arming the Iranians most definately contributed to the situation we are in today, and many other decisions that previous administrations made has contributed to what we face today in the middle east, and to a 9/11 on our soil.
It did not happen in a vacuume.
jd
I disagree, the British had little interest in the ME outside of pirates... the ME was tolerated as a dieing superpower with the discovery of the new world.
The ME became of interest as of WWI when it was realized that oil was necessary to fight a war in Europe. The ME chose the wrong side in both wars and as a result were spoils of war. The ME was originally managed by France and the British and when the US had to start importing oil it became an interest to the US... the Cold War had a lot to do with it too.Yes, I think that Reagan walking away from what happened in Lebanon, and him arming the Iranians most definitely contributed to the situation we are in today, and many other decisions that previous administrations made has contributed to what we face today in the middle east, and to a 9/11 on our soil.
It did not happen in a vacuume.
jd
The ME was considered as a bother like dog dick gnats and was ignored... let them fight amongst themselves and stay the hell out of it... install a brutal dictator because that is what they understand ... brutality!
"The man who reads nothing at all is better educated than the man who reads nothing but newspapers."
---Thomas Jefferson (or as Al Sharpton calls him: Grandpappy)
SO YOU REALLY DON'T THINK the british and their dealings in the middle east, breaking up countries and tribes in to new countries like Persia in to iraq and iran etc, creating saudi arabia, israel,....sir lawrence of arabia stuff etc....had NOTHING to do with the mess we are in?
jd
This is where I was going...http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ottoman_EmpireRevolts and revival (1566–1683)
Suleiman's death in 1566 marked the beginning of an era of diminishing territorial gains. The rise of western European nations as naval powers and the development of alternative sea routes from Europe to Asia and the New World damaged the Ottoman economy. The effective military and bureaucratic structures of the previous century also came under strain during a protracted period of misrule by weak Sultans. But in spite of these difficulties, the empire remained a major expansionist power until the Battle of Vienna in 1683, which marked the end of Ottoman expansion into Europe.
"The man who reads nothing at all is better educated than the man who reads nothing but newspapers."
---Thomas Jefferson (or as Al Sharpton calls him: Grandpappy)
Check out this link on Kuwait and how far back the British link up with Kuwait... http://www.kuwait-info.com/sidepages/nat_history.asp
"The man who reads nothing at all is better educated than the man who reads nothing but newspapers."
---Thomas Jefferson (or as Al Sharpton calls him: Grandpappy)
obtw, the second link in my sigline has been fixed... sorry bout that misplaced space...
and obtw, this topic is REALLY about GUN CONTROL! specifically aimed at how PILOTS used to be able to carry weapons IN the cockpit and just marginally about WHO disarmed them.
Though, all but the most rabid partisan should be able to agree that Ronnie is partially to blame. He WAS the President in 1987, right? He disarmed the pilots which ultimately led to those nefarious cockpit takeovers during 2001, now didn't he?
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