How do you negotiate

[OCA]

The UN did not displace anyone. NO ONE was forced to leave by Israel or the UN.

Jews lived in that land as well. ALSO if Israel was ilegally created then so was Syria, Lebanon, Jordan and the other nations created by the League of Nations.

The SMALL portion of land that was given to Israel was barren and dry, they turned it into an oasis. The land that was to be Palestine was fertile but they decided that if they couldn't have it all they wanted none.

Also the UN had every right to do what they wanted. The land belonged to Britian after it defeated the Ottoman Empire.

Sure, the Jews said sure Ahmed, take that beautiful piece of property there and we'll take this crap over here......Jews don't operate that way, they are much too shrewd and calculating. You've bought into the Israel does no wrong propoganda, try looking at it with an objective eye one time, might surprise you.

Strange thing though about those other countries you mentioned, none of the indigenous peoples were displaced when the nation was created.

[The Reverend]

Not sure, probably some? Currently no Muslims of Palestinian descent are allowed into Israel, they built some walls , did ya hear about it?

Not true, that is propaganda being spread by the Muslim's

[Kathianne]

Sure, the Jews said sure Ahmed, take that beautiful piece of property there and we'll take this crap over here......Jews don't operate that way, they are much too shrewd and calculating. You've bought into the Israel does no wrong propoganda, try looking at it with an objective eye one time, might surprise you.

Strange thing though about those other countries you mentioned, none of the indigenous peoples were displaced when the nation was created.

Once again, showing your dispassion and fairness. Uh huh.

[OCA]

there are full neighborhoods of muslims there, many from gaza as well. there is really no such thing as palestinian descent, historically and holistically, in that, muslims do not think in such terms, they are simply muslims and claim all the ME as theirs.

maybe ottoman descent.

Not anymore Yurt, in the last twenty years they have been systematically moved out in the name of "security" to Gaza, the West Bank and other places. You are hard pressed to find any Muslim neighborhoods now in official Israeli land.

[OCA]

Once again, showing your dispassion and fairness. Uh huh.

No, they aren't lol. Hey I didn't create their genetic traits, if you got a problem with it take it up with Jehovah.

[Kathianne]

No, they aren't lol. Hey I didn't create their genetic traits, if you got a problem with it take it up with Jehovah.

At this juncture, you are owned.

[OCA]

Not true, that is propaganda being spread by the Muslim's

There are no walls? And Muslims don't have to basically shit a golden ticket for an hour in Israel? Are you that brainwashed?

[OCA]

At this juncture, you are owned.

Hahaha, nice try. Either debate or find another thread. This is looking to be too deep for you.

[Yurt]

Not anymore Yurt, in the last twenty years they have been systematically moved out in the name of "security" to Gaza, the West Bank and other places. You are hard pressed to find any Muslim neighborhoods now in official Israeli land.

saw plenty in the news last year when israel and hezbully went at it. in fact, the muslims were complaining because a bomb got through and blew up in their hood, they said israel was not protecting them enough.

Israeli-Muslim population on the rise


Muslim population in Israel grows at faster rate than Jewish, expected to reach 2 million by 2025; fertility rate among Muslims dropping, still higher than in neighboring countries, Central Bureau of Statistics reveals

http://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7...197413,00.html

[OCA]

saw plenty in the news last year when israel and hezbully went at it. in fact, the muslims were complaining because a bomb got through and blew up in their hood, they said israel was not protecting them enough.

Israeli-Muslim population on the rise


Muslim population in Israel grows at faster rate than Jewish, expected to reach 2 million by 2025; fertility rate among Muslims dropping, still higher than in neighboring countries, Central Bureau of Statistics reveals

http://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7...197413,00.html

Sure they got hoods.............Palestinian Authority controlled territory, not official Israeli territory. I think you might be referring to the Golan Heights or something close by, I think that is up there close to the Lebanese border but I could be wrong.

[The Reverend]

Not anymore Yurt, in the last twenty years they have been systematically moved out in the name of "security" to Gaza, the West Bank and other places. You are hard pressed to find any Muslim neighborhoods now in official Israeli land.

Really, you got any facts to back this up? Links? something ANYTHING

There are no walls? And Muslims don't have to basically shit a golden ticket for an hour in Israel? Are you that brainwashed?

There are some walls. They are not completely finished yet.

Muslims are allowed ot go to Israel, Hell they are allowed to becomse citizens.

Now if Israel lets a Palestinian become a citizen why won't most Arab nations? Hmmm.

Also you can blame the shape of Gaza on Arafat

The PA rule of the Gaza Strip and West Bank under leadership of Arafat suffered from serious mismanagement and corruption. Exorbitant bribes were demanded for allowing goods to pass in and out of the Gaza Strip, while heads of the Preventive Security Service apparatus profited from their involvement in the gravel import and cement and construction industries, like the Great Arab Company for Investment and Development, the al-Motawaset Company and the al-Sheik Zayid construction project. [11]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gaza_Strip

[OCA]

Really, you got any facts to back this up? Links? something ANYTHING

Holy crap! This comes from a Jewish publication.


http://www.haaretz.com/hasen/spages/909613.html

[Kathianne]

Holy crap! This comes from a Jewish publication.


http://www.haaretz.com/hasen/spages/909613.html

Right, but awhile ago, 06/10/2007 what's happened since?

[The Reverend]

Couldn't find anything more current

06/10/2007

That was six months ago

Besides that only applies to those coming from Gaza, the same place the rockets and suicide bomber come from.
During WAR you do not just let people come nilly wily into your country.


http://www.nytimes.com/2007/07/31/wo...31mideast.html

This is off topic but interesting.
http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisf...israel.comment

Not to mentiont that just says they are not letting them in, not that they are kicking them out over the last twenty years like you claimed. That was what the proof I asked for was for

[DragonStryk72]

with religious extremists that kill and blow themselves up in the name of Allah, God or whomever?

How can you negotiate with people that walk into a marketplace and then proceed to blow themselves up taking lots of innocent civilians with them?

How can you negotiate with people that strap bombs to children, themselves and others?

How can you negotiate with people celebrate and cheer when innocent people are killed?

Please someone explain to me just how you negotiate with this.

IMO you can't, the same way you can negotiate with people that protest soldiers funerals, blow abortion clinics up, destroy property in the name of the environment.

Some people cannot be reasoned with.

"Talk softly, and carry a big stick"

Honestly, you can't negotiate with those kinds of people. Negotiation requires reason, something that a person who would specifically order the deaths of innocent people just to prove a point, quite obviously lack.

Fighting is terrible, war is terrible, but if you must fight, if you must war, then fight & war to win, in the most effective manner possible.