How do you negotiate

[Kathianne]

No, it wasn't their land, they'd only been there for 1500 or so years.

It wasn't the U.N.'s to divide.

Sure it was, the British turned it over. If you give me your land, it's mine to do what I like with.

[OCA]

Sure it was, the British turned it over. If you give me your land, it's mine to do what I like with.

The British turned it over to the U.N.? Since when has the U.N. been a holder of territory?

The U.N. and its member nations ILLEGALLY, without authority ceded territory to Jews out of pity for the Holocaust at the expense of the Palestinians.

End of story.

[Kathianne]

The British turned it over to the U.N.? Since when has the U.N. been a holder of territory?

The U.N. and its member nations ILLEGALLY, without authority ceded territory to Jews out of pity for the Holocaust at the expense of the Palestinians.

End of story.

The world according to OCA. Thanks for the 'debate.'

[Yurt]

Doesn't matter who controlled the territory at what time. The Occupying power should give first preference in reference to land to the indigenous peoples, much like what America should have done with the Iindians.

Palestinians had been in the area since biblical times, long after Jews had abandoned it.

there is no such thing as palestinians. jews abandoned it? you mean forced exile and extermination. the crusades, the muslims, rome....

why do you feel the muslims or non jews (palestinians did not even exist until yasser arafat coined it) have superior claim? weren't jews living there after the war as well?

[OCA]

The world according to OCA. Thanks for the 'debate.'

Your welcome, not sure when you actually participated in the debate beside some one line quips though.

[OCA]

there is no such thing as palestinians. jews abandoned it? you mean forced exile and extermination. the crusades, the muslims, rome....

why do you feel the muslims or non jews (palestinians did not even exist until yasser arafat coined it) have superior claim? weren't jews living there after the war as well?

Most Palestinians can trace their lineage on that land going back many generations, very few Jews can trace it back any farther past when their grandparents emigrated from Europe.

So its ok to force the Palestinians into exile but not the Jews? If not give back the land stolen by the U.N. in 1947.

[The Reverend]

They are punishing law abiding Palestinians for the actions of a few.

Apartheid.....Israel by creating the concentration camps has created a permanent group of second class citizens who do not possess all the rights of other Israeli's which by definition and action is exactly what took place in South Africa and ironically........Nazi Germany.

Let me ask you some questions.

Should people from Mexico and Canada be allowed to come in unchecked anytime they want to America, OR are you for securing the borders?

Also say terrorists were lobbing rockets into America from Mexico or Canada, do you think that WE would just let anybody come through our borders?

[The Reverend]

Most Palestinians can trace their lineage on that land going back many generations, very few Jews can trace it back any farther past when their grandparents emigrated from Europe.

So its ok to force the Palestinians into exile but not the Jews? If not give back the land stolen by the U.N. in 1947.

1) The history of Jews in Israel can be traced back to before Biblical times. Remember they are the ones that built Jerusalem.

2) The land was not stolen nor was it the Palestinians. It was the Ottoman Empires and when Britian defeated them it became Britians.

[OCA]

Let me ask you some questions.

Should people from Mexico and Canada be allowed to come in unchecked anytime they want to America, OR are you for securing the borders?

Also say terrorists were lobbing rockets into America from Mexico or Canada, do you think that WE would just let anybody come through our borders?

Bad analogy.

Mexico and Canada are seperate countries, what you have with Israel is a country created out of pity, a country created on top of existing peoples. Yes, Palestinians should be allowed to move freely through their own land, the land illegally known as Israel.

[OCA]

1) The history of Jews in Israel can be traced back to before Biblical times. Remember they are the ones that built Jerusalem.

2) The land was not stolen nor was it the Palestinians. It was the Ottoman Empires and when Britian defeated them it became Britians.

1. They left, the Palestinians remained, the Jews showed little or no interest in it until Adolph.

2. Doesn't matter who it belonged to, what does matter is when it was being decided whom to give it to the Palestinians should've been given a fair opportunity........they weren't.

[The Reverend]

Bad analogy.

Mexico and Canada are seperate countries, what you have with Israel is a country created out of pity, a country created on top of existing peoples. Yes, Palestinians should be allowed to move freely through their own land, the land illegally known as Israel.

Answer the question please.

1. They left, the Palestinians remained, the Jews showed little or no interest in it until Adolph.

2. Doesn't matter who it belonged to, what does matter is when it was being decided whom to give it to the Palestinians should've been given a fair opportunity........they weren't.

They did not leave, they were hauled off as slaves.
Though some did remain.

The Palestinians DID get a chance are MORE then a fair share. More land and better fertile land too boot. They chose not to take it.

[DragonStryk72]

Why should they accept a state that does not comprise fully the lands that were taken from them illegally in 1947? If Mexico were given part of Arizona and New Mexico by the U.N. and there were conflict, would you accept anything other than the return of the full territory that comprised Arizona and New Mexico? I think not.

It wasn't a country in 1947!! seriously, The british made it up, same with Iraq, they just didn't have a name for the area, that's all. Palestine was an afterthought nothing more, and had they not STARTED the fight, they would not be getting an ass-whuppin now. They chose to kick this off, and Israel has chosen to fight to win.

[OCA]

It wasn't a country in 1947!! seriously, The british made it up, same with Iraq, they just didn't have a name for the area, that's all. Palestine was an afterthought nothing more, and had they not STARTED the fight, they would not be getting an ass-whuppin now. They chose to kick this off, and Israel has chosen to fight to win.

So what do we gain by the existence of Israel besides our tax dollars being used to prop them up in a way we prop no other nation up? Certainly they are not our ally because that would denote that they reciprocate the aid which everyone knows nothing ever flows our way from Israel besides Manischewitz wine.

I know! Our politicians get votes and money from the huge Israeli lobby here in America, and in reciprocation our politicians pass legislation which allows Israel to continue to practice its policy of apartheid and human rights abuses, abuses to which America continuously turns a blind eye towards.

[OCA]

Answer the question please.

Question answered, not my problem if the answer don't suit ya.

[The Reverend]

The question was not a bad analogy.


Israel was not illegally created.

On another note the creation of Israel was prophesied in the Bible. God gave them that land and it has been and always will be theirs.