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    Default An Anniversary...

    Yesterday was the fifth anniversary of "Shock and Awe"...The beginning of the US invasion and occupation of Iraq. Outside of Chimpy McPresident's delusional speech and Darth Cheney's contemptuous dismissal of the 2/3 of Americans who now understand the war was a mistake, not much was heard about it in the media.

    One would think the administration lap dogs...you know, Rush Limbaugh, Michael Savage-Weiner, Glen Beck, and the rest of the right wing media whores would have been sharing in the President's pronouncements of progress and imminent victory in Iraq. Instead, there was silence. Even the Administration's propaganda arm, FOX Noise, did little more than cover Bush's speech.

    Perhaps they remained silent so as not to remind America of just what the invasion and occupation of Iraq has bought "We, the People...". Let's look at it, shall we?

    -Nearly 4000 US service men and women dead

    -Some 23,000 (low estimate) US service men and women wounded and maimed for life

    -Nearly $5 trillion spent, with more to come

    -Oil at $110bbl

    -Massive profits for war profiteers

    -Levels of foreign debt which undermine US security

    And this is but a very truncated list. Sure Saddam was toppled...Sure the Iraqi people were liberated...But those were not the reasons we were given for the invasion. We were told, by President Bush, Vice-President Cheney and the rest of the administration, that Iraq posed an imminent threat to the US and its allies in the form of a fully reconstituted and operational WMD program. To date, no significant stockpiles or evidence of a reconstituted WMD program have been found.

    Happy anniversary.
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    For those of us here that have trouble reading Bully and TM on the board I will translate....




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    Quote Originally Posted by bullypulpit View Post
    Yesterday was the fifth anniversary of "Shock and Awe"...The beginning of the US invasion and occupation of Iraq. Outside of Chimpy McPresident's delusional speech and Darth Cheney's contemptuous dismissal of the 2/3 of Americans who now understand the war was a mistake, not much was heard about it in the media.

    One would think the administration lap dogs...you know, Rush Limbaugh, Michael Savage-Weiner, Glen Beck, and the rest of the right wing media whores would have been sharing in the President's pronouncements of progress and imminent victory in Iraq. Instead, there was silence. Even the Administration's propaganda arm, FOX Noise, did little more than cover Bush's speech.

    Perhaps they remained silent so as not to remind America of just what the invasion and occupation of Iraq has bought "We, the People...". Let's look at it, shall we?

    -Nearly 4000 US service men and women dead

    -Some 23,000 (low estimate) US service men and women wounded and maimed for life

    -Nearly $500 billion spent, with more to come

    -The dollar is at a 16 year low

    -Oil at $110bbl

    -Massive profits for war profiteers

    -Levels of foreign debt which undermine US security

    And this is but a very truncated list. Sure Saddam was toppled...Sure the Iraqi people were liberated...But those were not the reasons we were given for the invasion. We were told, by President Bush, Vice-President Cheney and the rest of the administration, that Iraq posed an imminent threat to the US and its allies in the form of a fully reconstituted and operational WMD program. To date, no significant stockpiles or evidence of a reconstituted WMD program have been found.

    Happy anniversary.
    Edited for content.

    "$5 trillion" corrected to "$500 million"
    "The dollar is at a 16year low" added.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Nukeman View Post
    For those of us here that have trouble reading Bully and TM on the board I will translate....




    blah..blah...blah...blah..blah...blah...blah..blah ...blah...blah..blah...blah...blah..blah...blah... blah..blah...blah...blah..blah...blah...blah..blah ...blah...blah..blah...blah...blah..blah...blah... blah..blah...blah...blah..blah...blah...blah..blah ...blah...blah..blah...blah...blah..blah...blah... blah..blah...blah...blah..blah...blah...blah..blah ...blah...blah..blah...blah...blah..blah...blah... blah..blah...blah...blah..blah...blah...blah..blah ...blah...blah..blah...blah...blah..blah...blah... blah..blah...blah...blah..blah...blah...blah..blah ...blah...blah..blah...blah...blah..blah...blah... blah..blah...blah...blah..blah...blah...blah..blah ...blah...blah..blah...blah...blah..blah...blah...BUSH DID IT!!!!!!!!!blah..blah...blah...blah..blah...blah...blah..blah ...blah...blah..blah...blah...blah..blah...blah... blah..blah...blah...blah..blah...blah...blah..blah ...blah...blah..blah...blah...blah..blah...blah... blah..blah...blah...blah..blah...blah...blah..blah ...blah...blah..blah...blah...blah..blah...blah... blah..blah...blah...blah..blah...blah...blah..blah ...blah...blah..blah...blah...blah..blah...blah... blah..blah...blah...blah..blah...blah...blah..blah ...blah...blah..blah...blah...blah..blah...blah..b lah..blah...blah...blah..blah...blah...blah..blah. ..blah...blah..blah...blah...blah..blah...blah....
    Unable to form a coherent argument addressing the issues raised, Nukeman resorts to the popular Bush administration apologist tactic of incoherent babbling.

    When ya gonna have "LOSER" tattooed to yer forehead Nuke?
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    Quote Originally Posted by bullypulpit View Post
    Unable to form a coherent argument addressing the issues raised, Nukeman resorts to the popular Bush administration apologist tactic of incoherent babbling.

    When ya gonna have "LOSER" tattooed to yer forehead Nuke?
    got it .... they ended up doing a good thing for the wrong reason and it may or may not have been worth it .....

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    Quote Originally Posted by bullypulpit View Post
    Unable to form a coherent argument addressing the issues raised, Nukeman resorts to the popular Bush administration apologist tactic of incoherent babbling.

    When ya gonna have "LOSER" tattooed to yer forehead Nuke?
    Right after you have "ENTER HERE" tatooed over your asshole when the Dems get in office and start screwing the hell out of you!!!!!!!!!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Nukeman View Post
    Right after you have "ENTER HERE" tatooed over your asshole when the Dems get in office and start screwing the hell out of you!!!!!!!!!
    A not enexpected reply from Nukeman, and an utterly brilliant display of avoiding, dodging and/or ignoring the issues.
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    Quote Originally Posted by manu1959 View Post
    got it .... they ended up doing a good thing for the wrong reason and it may or may not have been worth it .....
    "...A good thing for the wrong reason...", Somebody's been hiitn the GOP kool-aid reeeeeeal hard.

    Let's look back a little. The neo-cons were unhappy with Poppy Bush because he knew what a clusterfuck toppling Saddam would create and so, refused to do it. They tried to push Clinton into it, but he wouldn't cooperate either. Then comes Junior. A blank slate the neo-con chicken hawks could push into toppling Saddam with the proper goad. Then comes 9/11.

    Now Junior may have balked initially as US forces targeted, correctly if belatedly, Al Qaeda and the Taliban in Afghanistan. But before the job in Afghanistan was even well under way, Iraq comes under the cross-hairs. The rest, as we all know, is history.

    A bad thing for ALL the wrong reasons.
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    Quote Originally Posted by bullypulpit View Post
    Edited for content.

    "$5 trillion" corrected to "$500 million"
    "The dollar is at a 16year low" added.
    And yet you put $500 billion in the quote, you sound as confused as always. Why would anyone read a thing you write and believe it?
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    Iraqis no longer have a ruthless dictator governing them.

    Iraqis no longer have a government that supports terrorism.

    What exactly is wrong with that?
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    Quote Originally Posted by avatar4321 View Post
    Iraqis no longer have a ruthless dictator governing them.

    Iraqis no longer have a government that supports terrorism.

    What exactly is wrong with that?
    They are living in a state of war, what exactly is right with that?
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    Quote Originally Posted by diuretic View Post
    They are living in a state of war, what exactly is right with that?
    i would argue they are living no worse than the israelis or the northern irish or the basques or the monks of tibet.....plus they have oil money.....

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    Quote Originally Posted by diuretic View Post
    They are living in a state of war, what exactly is right with that?
    It's more violent in downtown major world cities than in Iraq
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    Quote Originally Posted by bullypulpit View Post
    "...A good thing for the wrong reason...", Somebody's been hiitn the GOP kool-aid reeeeeeal hard.

    Let's look back a little. The neo-cons were unhappy with Poppy Bush because he knew what a clusterfuck toppling Saddam would create and so, refused to do it. They tried to push Clinton into it, but he wouldn't cooperate either. Then comes Junior. A blank slate the neo-con chicken hawks could push into toppling Saddam with the proper goad. Then comes 9/11.

    Now Junior may have balked initially as US forces targeted, correctly if belatedly, Al Qaeda and the Taliban in Afghanistan. But before the job in Afghanistan was even well under way, Iraq comes under the cross-hairs. The rest, as we all know, is history.

    A bad thing for ALL the wrong reasons.

    got it...so you would prefer saddam was still in power and we were fighting all the rag heads in the mountains of afganistan....worked out well for the russians.....and the english.....good idea......i hear that is what o'hillary wants to do....move the war from the desert to the mountains.....

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    Quote Originally Posted by manu1959 View Post
    got it...so you would prefer saddam was still in power and we were fighting all the rag heads in the mountains of afganistan....worked out well for the russians.....and the english.....good idea......i hear that is what o'hillary wants to do....move the war from the desert to the mountains.....
    Well...ya see...that's were the REAL enemy, Al Qaeda and the Taliban, fled to. But instead of scraping the area between Afghanistan and Pakistan out like a gourd we now have the REAL enemy, Al Qaeda, reconstituted at pre-9/11 levels...the Taliban are increasing their incursions into Afghanistan and violence there is on the rise and no real governmental authority in Afghanistan outside of Kabul. Had the job been finished in Afghanistan, we would have had the money and the covert ops people to have helped the Iraqi people throw off the yoke of Saddam and his brood without the commitment of hundreds of thousands of US troops or hundreds of billions of dollars.

    Iraq had NOTHING to do with Al Qaeda, at least not until after the US invasion. Saddam was no threat to anyone outside of his own country. That being said, it was up to the Iraqis to cast him and his spawn aside.

    Just another piss poor attempt on your part at ignoring the real issues. I hereby dub thee..."The unArtful Dodger".
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