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Well, the point is that the party faithfuls will be claiming he never cracked. They will have him portrayed as the man who brought down North Viet Nam single-handedly. It doesn't have to be true. It just has to make him sound like John Wayne.Originally Posted by hjmick
Immie
Last edited by Immanuel; 03-21-2008 at 09:31 AM.
For it is by Grace you have been saved, through faith -- and this not of yourselves, it is the gift of God -- not by works, so that no one can boast. Eph 2:8-9
Over 40 Victim of Fate
Which is really quite silly, but I get your point. Regardless of his acquiescence at the hands of his captors, what he endured is more than could be expected of any man or woman. While I may not agree with some of his policies or proposals, I do believe he is a man to be respected.Well, the point is that the party faithfuls will be claiming he never cracked. They will have him portrayed as the man who brought down North Viet Nam single-handedly. It doesn't have to be true. It just has to make him sound like John Wayne.
Immie
I would look for whoever his opponent is to drudge up the old allegations that he conspired with the North Vietnamese government after the war to block investigations into POWs left behind more than the issue of what he did after giving in to torture.
"I am allergic to piety, it makes me break out in rash judgements." - Penn Jillette
"I have never killed a man, but I have read many obituaries with a lot of pleasure." - Clarence Darrow
"The man who invented the telescope found out more about heaven than the closed eyes of prayer ever discovered." - Robert G. Ingersoll
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I agree... he is to be respected for having offered his life for this country. I don't know that I could have endured what he went through. He has given more to this country than most of us could ever conceive of doing.
IF he "cracked" under the pressure in North Viet Nam, he would not lose my respect because of that. If you have not been in that position, you can't possibly know what it is like.
I don't like him. I won't vote for him. I don't like his political persuasions. But, the man HAS given more than I will ever be able to offer.
However, his opponents will do to him the same as was done to Kerry.
Immie
For it is by Grace you have been saved, through faith -- and this not of yourselves, it is the gift of God -- not by works, so that no one can boast. Eph 2:8-9
Senior Member
people found it credible about Kerry, due to his actions after he got out of the military......is the same true of McCain?.....it takes more than his opponents doing it, it takes people believing it.....However, his opponents will do to him the same as was done to Kerry.
...full immersion.....
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Depends on the issue(s) they use. Look at the conservative treatment of McCain over the past several months. People like Pale Rider swore they would never vote for him... I'm standing by that oath, BTW, but now many of those same conservatives are pointing at Obama and saying, we can't have him.
When the campaign begins McCain's opponents will use whatever they can find to throw at him. Will it stick? I'm guessing some of it will.
I guess what I am trying to say is that this election is "politics as usual". It is way to early to say Obama is out of the running or that McCain will be the next President of the United States. Things are going to get nasty very soon. The man (or woman) that weathers the storm best will come out the winner.
Immie
PS hopefully that person won't come from one of the two major parties.
For it is by Grace you have been saved, through faith -- and this not of yourselves, it is the gift of God -- not by works, so that no one can boast. Eph 2:8-9
Over 40 Victim of Fate
Time will tell. Unless something stunning occurs, however, we will have to wait until June to what tact his opponents take.
I agree, Immie. Though I have yet to decide where my vote is going. November is a long way off.
"I am allergic to piety, it makes me break out in rash judgements." - Penn Jillette
"I have never killed a man, but I have read many obituaries with a lot of pleasure." - Clarence Darrow
"The man who invented the telescope found out more about heaven than the closed eyes of prayer ever discovered." - Robert G. Ingersoll
God is with Us
I have decided. It won't be for either one of the two major parties this time around. I could find something to like about either one of the two gentlemen running,yes, I am excluding the "lady", but I won't support either party because of the control they hold against this country.
The parties and their members, including the candidates, are more interested in the pretige and power of the office than they are the good of America. I'm not voting for either one of them this year. I don't care if McCain is the lesser of two evils, I'm not chosing the lesser of two evils.
Immie
For it is by Grace you have been saved, through faith -- and this not of yourselves, it is the gift of God -- not by works, so that no one can boast. Eph 2:8-9
Over 40 Victim of Fate
Nader for President!
"I am allergic to piety, it makes me break out in rash judgements." - Penn Jillette
"I have never killed a man, but I have read many obituaries with a lot of pleasure." - Clarence Darrow
"The man who invented the telescope found out more about heaven than the closed eyes of prayer ever discovered." - Robert G. Ingersoll
God is with Us
Did he switch to the Libertarian or Constitution Party last night while I slept and disavow all his prior leanings? If not, then you're not likely to hear those words from me.
Maybe Ron Paul for President. I used to like Alan Keyes, but he seems to have gone batty lately. My mom wants us all to write in my brother's name, but to be honest... I love my brother and would not do that to him.
Immie
For it is by Grace you have been saved, through faith -- and this not of yourselves, it is the gift of God -- not by works, so that no one can boast. Eph 2:8-9
Super Minion
This Poor Pastor, That Has Been Addressing The Issues Confronting His People
http://elections.foxnews.com/2008/03...comment-254991
By Jeff Goldblatt
This was supposed to be the week that the Rev. Jeremiah Wright Jr. returned to the pulpit to preach for the first time since his anti-American sermons generated nationwide outrage and drew condemnation from his longtime parishioner, Barack Obama.
But, citing security concerns, Wright canceled his speaking engagements in Florida and Texas. A spokeswoman at his former church in Chicago said his schedule is pending.
A two-week FOX News investigation, however, has uncovered where Wright will be spending a good deal of his time in retirement, and it is a far cry from the impoverished Chicago streets where the preacher led his ministry for 36 years.
FOX News has uncovered documents that indicate Wright is about to move to a 10,340-square-foot, four-bedroom home in suburban Chicago, currently under construction in a gated community.
While it is not uncommon for an accomplished clergyman to live in luxury, Wright’s retirement residence is raising some questions.
“Some people think deals like this are hypocritical. Jeremiah Wright himself criticizes people from the pulpit for middle classism, for too much materialism,” said Andrew Walsh, Associate Director of the Leonard E. Greenberg Center for the Study of Religion in Public Life with Trinity College in Hartford, Conn.
“So he’s entitled to be tweaked here. So the question really is, how unusual is this? Somewhat unusual,” he said.
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we did he's a fucking Racist END OF STORY
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