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    Well first we have American companies that own the stadium, I did see that tickets were sold for this event, and there was a lot of fund raising done by Catholic school kids to attend. Security must have been expensive of course, probably a little more then for a ball game. The original intent of separation of church and state was to not have undue influence or control of the government in politics. Otherwise you could also conclude that the Bush administration's push for religious based social programs over the last few years was also in conflict. Now how do you suppose that 150,000 people could take the Eucharist from one 82 year old man?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nukeman View Post
    blah..... blah..... blah.... thanks for your 2 cents worth there FU... Why don't you sitck to the politics is the UK.

    Did you fail to read this was in US General Events or are you just being your usual moronic self???????
    No shit. Freedom of speech is a right for Americans. In fact we fought the damn Brits so we could have it, and tell the damn Brits to shut up.

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    THE FUCKING TRUTH HURTS!. if you want to go and moan about such stupid issues- go ahead. It is the US events page- i guess- this is what some US people like to moan about.

    In the UK- we actually moan about important issues.

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    I didn't realize there were so many papal apologists here. My objection to the money being spent is not just limited to this topic. I too agree that that the money spent on the presidential campaigns is terrible as well. Perhaps even more ludicrous than the papal visit. Where the government decides to spend our money is a huge concern. The waste is enormous. VOTE LIBERTARIAN!

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    Quote Originally Posted by FSUK View Post
    THE FUCKING TRUTH HURTS!. if you want to go and moan about such stupid issues- go ahead. It is the US events page- i guess- this is what some US people like to moan about.

    In the UK- we actually moan about important issues.
    In case you haven't noticed, the only person who is complaining about it and making an issue out of it is a liberal who opened up the thread.

    If you don't give a shit about this non-issue then why aren't you posting in other more important threads?
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    Quote Originally Posted by PhotonMac View Post
    I didn't realize there were so many papal apologists here. My objection to the money being spent is not just limited to this topic. I too agree that that the money spent on the presidential campaigns is terrible as well. Perhaps even more ludicrous than the papal visit. Where the government decides to spend our money is a huge concern. The waste is enormous. VOTE LIBERTARIAN!
    The amount of money spent on such things is a drop in the bucket compared to entitlements.
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    Quote Originally Posted by theHawk View Post
    The amount of money spent on such things is a drop in the bucket compared to entitlements.
    The total spending by all of the presidential candidates so far this cycle comes up to less than $2.50 per capita.

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    Quote Originally Posted by PhotonMac View Post
    I didn't realize there were so many papal apologists here. My objection to the money being spent is not just limited to this topic. I too agree that that the money spent on the presidential campaigns is terrible as well. Perhaps even more ludicrous than the papal visit. Where the government decides to spend our money is a huge concern. The waste is enormous. VOTE LIBERTARIAN!
    Now you are sounding like the normal 19th Century know-nothing, thanks for being such an 'enlightened' bigot.

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    Quote Originally Posted by FSUK View Post
    THE FUCKING TRUTH HURTS!. if you want to go and moan about such stupid issues- go ahead. It is the US events page- i guess- this is what some US people like to moan about.

    In the UK- we actually moan about important issues.
    Yea, like how Diana died, figured it out yet? Need some help? The car she was in was traveling at a very high rate of speed and was forced to stop forward motion at an even higher rate upon hitting an immovable object. She was riding in the speeding car unrestrained which turned her body into a missile inside the car. She died of blunt force trauma to numerous points of her body and the rearrangement of numerous internal organs from the gravitational pull of forward motion of the car being abruptly stopped when it hit a concrete pillar
    You guys can stop wondering now..
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    Quote Originally Posted by FSUK View Post
    What a stupid thread!. PLease, i hope you are joking ?

    There are more important issues in the world and US- rather than moaning about tax payer contributions to the pope's security.

    Why dont you complain abt the amount of tax payers money that has gone towards illegal wars? or protecting the leaders of your greatest allies?
    This coming from someone whose country is legendary for it's imperialistic actions across the globe, that's funny.
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    Quote Originally Posted by PhotonMac View Post
    As I was casually watching and listening to the news yesterday about the visit to the U.S. by the Pope and the celebration of Mass at the huge venue in D.C., I got to wondering. How much taxpayer money was spent on this event? The security costs had to be enormous by themselves. Did people spend money to go to it? If they did, who benefitted from the proceeds? If government i.e. taxpayer money coverd the costs it seems to be a conflict of separation of church and state. The Catholic church has more money than a lot of third world countries and probably could underwritten the costs themselves. I also noticed that only the VIP's received the Eucharist from the Pope. It all seemed very pompous (sp?) in my opinion.
    So when a democrat goes into a church and gives a speech from the pulpit, can we revoke the tax exempt status of that church? Isn't it supposed to be a house of worship? Should elected officials be allowed to talk politics in a religious venue? Isn't it what you consider a violation of the seperation of church and state?
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    Quote Originally Posted by FSUK View Post
    THE FUCKING TRUTH HURTS!. if you want to go and moan about such stupid issues- go ahead. It is the US events page- i guess- this is what some US people like to moan about.

    In the UK- we actually moan about important issues.
    yes like the size of charles ears and who killed diana....and when is the queen going to die....and which royal was in the gay video.....

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    Quote Originally Posted by FSUK View Post
    THE FUCKING TRUTH HURTS!. if you want to go and moan about such stupid issues- go ahead. It is the US events page- i guess- this is what some US people like to moan about.

    In the UK- we actually moan about important issues.
    Like the color of your teeth?
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    Quote Originally Posted by 82Marine89 View Post
    Like the color of your teeth?
    given the quility of dental care in england doubt he has any....

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    Proud to Be a Catholic

    I am proud.

    I am proud to be a Catholic after reading Benedict XVI’s homily from the mass he celebrated yesterday. He spoke of the gift of “the hope born of love, poured into our hearts by the Holy Spirit (cf Rom 5:5). He spoke of renewal as a gift of God, of forgiveness as a gift for which we each hunger, of the work of so many in “forming the hearts and minds of the young in knowledge and love of the Lord.” I long for that hope, that love, that faith too. May I have eyes to see it and ears to hear it today and forever.

    I am proud to be a Catholic after reading the report of his meeting with President Bush. According to the official release after the meeting, the two spoke of the value of human life, of the importance of marriage, of human rights, of fighting poverty, of fighting disease, of promoting peace. I long for a leader, like Benedict, who believes in all these, not just in one or two. May I have the courage in my own life to pursue them all.

    I am proud to be a Catholic after listening to the Pope speak of his shame at the enormous failings of his church in responding to the sexual abuse crisis. Shame is personal, is humiliating, is full of pain. To speak publicly of such feeling is to acknowledge what we cannot explain: how people of the Church, the vast majority of whom set out to do good, found themselves party to unspeakable evil. Shame is real and I feel it. May I have the strength to do what I can to make this church heal the pride and arrogance that created such an abomination.

    I am proud to be a Catholic most of all when I think of the life of prayer. I think of all those who prayed the Rosary for the Holy Father, of those who offer prayers at Mass for his mission, for those who look to his office to provide clarity in pursuit of God’s will, not our own. May I have the peace that passes all understanding so that I too might follow in prayer the centuries of holy men and women who have given their lives joyfully in service to the only thing that really matters: the love of God.

    I know. It’s been a long road for the Catholic Church in this country. Sure, Catholics were once mocked and ridiculed for their hocus pocus religion and their shocking belief in the real presence of God in sacraments; for their fishy food rules, for their rampant devotions to things of all shapes and sizes: to Saint Anthony’s ability to find the lost, to St. Jude’s ability to save the hopeless, to Our Lady’s ability to appear to the unlikely, to the blessing of throats, the blessing of the fleet, the blessing of the flocks. In our country, these all seemed so clannish and old world, like strange superstitions of an ignorant age.

    Those days are gone, and most Catholics have long since entered the American mainstream. Our traditions, though they remain, have become a bit more understated. There are fewer pilgrimages from American churches to Fatima, fewer novenas on Friday night to St. Jude, fewer lengthy theological articles on the real presence of Christ in the Blessed Sacrament.

    But for many, this most peculiar papacy still sets Catholics apart. The Pope, of all things, would seem to stand outside our common values as Americans. The Pope is what we’re not: regal, authoritative, indifferent to polling data, able to ask that we follow without giving us a vote on the issue.

    Yes, he is all that. But we live in a time hungry for unity, hungry for clarity of purpose, hungry for the presence of God—the real presence of the divine. Americans are a people on pilgrimage, always searching, always willing to reinvent ourselves as we try to find out who we might become.

    So maybe just for a few days, we might all pause before this man of God: human he is, on pilgrimage like the rest of us. Sure, I wish he’d make pulpits open to women, I wish he’d eliminate “only” from his love of the church he leads, I wish he’d spend more time with the poor and less with the rich.

    But he made me proud nonetheless. He brought a profound reminder of what it means to believe in a faith so grand and so humble too, a faith ultimately in nothing less than God’s love, God’s presence among us, God’s promise to be with us always.

    Thank you, Holy Father. Amen.

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