It would seem to me that the thread has gotten a bit off topic. But that was the whole point...Rather than actually debate the issue in meaningful terms, side track into some utterly pointless dead-end. That has been the stock in trade of the American conservative movement since 1994 and the so-called "Republican Revolution". The only revolutionary thing about it is that it took about six years for the Republicans to become more corrupt that the the Democrats could have ever thought of becoming in their 40 years as the congressional majority.
Since none of those who cheerfully support torture, the abrogation of federal law and US treaty obligation and complete disregard for the rule of law, are willing to debate the issue in any meaningful way, I will be asking a moderator to close the thread.
Fascism has come to America, wrapped in a flag and carrying a cross. His name is Trump.
War is peace. Freedom is slavery. Ignorance is strength. - George Orwell...The New GOP motto.