This is really sad

[NATO AIR]

If the soldier doesn't get help, it's his/her own damn fault, because the help is there, while you're active, or after you get out.

Its good money to bet on young people being stubborn, proud and/or scared. Its not just the stigma but a way of life and worldview.

What really makes it worse though is the underfunded, overworked VA. You can't have guys who do ask for help having to wait months and months for counsel and help. My friend's wife shouldn't be his mental health counselor but what do you know, thanks to the pork barrel obsessed GOP-dominated Congress in 2003-2006, Democrat incompetence and Bush's indifference, none of this was seriously discussed or debated in good measure back when it could have really done some good.

Now we get to reap the whirlwind for at least another 2-3 years before the reforms Gates and co. are working on have a chance of working in force, and that should tell you something because its DOD having to do the heavy lifting because they're the only ones who can scream and bitch loud enough about it and someone important actually pay attention.

Those stimulus checks should have never happened and the money instead gone to paying for training, scholarships (for young psychs to consider working in the VA system), infrastructure, etc. on the VA system alone so this nation can begin to repay the debt it owes these people for screwing them over with incompetent civilian leadership across the political spectrum and overall indifference by society itself.

[rppearso]

Its good money to bet on young people being stubborn, proud and/or scared. Its not just the stigma but a way of life and worldview.

What really makes it worse though is the underfunded, overworked VA. You can't have guys who do ask for help having to wait months and months for counsel and help. My friend's wife shouldn't be his mental health counselor but what do you know, thanks to the pork barrel obsessed GOP-dominated Congress in 2003-2006, Democrat incompetence and Bush's indifference, none of this was seriously discussed or debated in good measure back when it could have really done some good.

Now we get to reap the whirlwind for at least another 2-3 years before the reforms Gates and co. are working on have a chance of working in force, and that should tell you something because its DOD having to do the heavy lifting because they're the only ones who can scream and bitch loud enough about it and someone important actually pay attention.

Those stimulus checks should have never happened and the money instead gone to paying for training, scholarships (for young psychs to consider working in the VA system), infrastructure, etc. on the VA system alone so this nation can begin to repay the debt it owes these people for screwing them over with incompetent civilian leadership across the political spectrum and overall indifference by society itself.

I liked my stimulus check, I think the government owes the people for f**king up the economy with the war making our dollar worth less and forcing people in to debt, at least with compensation for there f**k ups some people will be able to break even financially.

[manu1959]

I liked my stimulus check, I think the government owes the people for f**king up the economy with the war making our dollar worth less and forcing people in to debt, at least with compensation for there f**k ups some people will be able to break even financially.

just curious how the government forced you into debt........

[rppearso]

just curious how the government forced you into debt........

I should say they made peoples debt much much less manageable by driving up the cost of everything through devaluation of the dollar, I get a 5% annual cost of living raise a year plus about 10K performance raise a year but its not keeping up with the cost of food, natural gas, fuel and other daily living costs. Also the government does not do nearly enough to help subsidize higher education so people who want to better them selves are forced to go into debt. Soap box speech about unrealistic personal accountability only go so far, im not personally accountable for my 401K being pilfered, the government is responsible for the denigration of wealth in this nation and its a full time job just to try to stay in the black with my 401K, the only sound investments right now is precious metals and oil as they are divorcing themselves from the market as the dollar plumets. The nice thing about devaluation of the dollar is my debt is worth less so long as my salery increases to match the true inflation which is about 12% or so.

[Nukeman]

I should say they made peoples debt much much less manageable by driving up the cost of everything through devaluation of the dollar, I get a 5% annual cost of living raise a year plus about 10K performance raise a year but its not keeping up with the cost of food, natural gas, fuel and other daily living costs. Also the government does not do nearly enough to help subsidize higher education so people who want to better them selves are forced to go into debt. Soap box speech about unrealistic personal accountability only go so far, im not personally accountable for my 401K being pilfered, the government is responsible for the denigration of wealth in this nation and its a full time job just to try to stay in the black with my 401K, the only sound investments right now is precious metals and oil as they are divorcing themselves from the market as the dollar plumets. The nice thing about devaluation of the dollar is my debt is worth less so long as my salery increases to match the true inflation which is about 12% or so.

You have got to be kidding me on this whole list of BS you typed! YOU can't keep up with a 5% cost of living increase PLUS merit increase. Give me a fucking break MOST of us in the real world are lucky to get 3% annualy and thats in a good year, no cost of living either.

If YOU can't keep up with a 5% increase and 10,000 dollars in merit bonuses you must manage your money like you spell..... as in not very well.

Most people are in debt due to the "I have to have this" people do not differentiate between need and want. that my friend is the crux of the problem. Over spending on STUFF not staples. YOU and your ilk need to understand that

You go right ahead and invest in metals and oil!!!!! You will eventually lose big time in those markets.....

[rppearso]

You have got to be kidding me on this whole list of BS you typed! YOU can't keep up with a 5% cost of living increase PLUS merit increase. Give me a fucking break MOST of us in the real world are lucky to get 3% annualy and thats in a good year, no cost of living either.

If YOU can't keep up with a 5% increase and 10,000 dollars in merit bonuses you must manage your money like you spell..... as in not very well.

Most people are in debt due to the "I have to have this" people do not differentiate between need and want. that my friend is the crux of the problem. Over spending on STUFF not staples. YOU and your ilk need to understand that

You go right ahead and invest in metals and oil!!!!! You will eventually lose big time in those markets.....

What are you investing in US dollars, your going to loose even more big time there or some stock well I dont have inside information and im not a vegas gambler so I wont go there, theres not to many other options. real estate, you can put 3 years of sweat into a property and maybe make a lousy 60K thats not worth my sweat some guys get lucky and you see them on TV "flip that house" but for every success story of some guy making 100K in 3 months 10 people loose there asses. Metals will never go down as long as the dollar is worthless its basicly just a way of preserving your wealth from being pilfered by the economy. But what the hell do I know put your money in USD's. Food, heat, housing and transportation are staples and just thoes things alone are big bucks with all thoes things going up and up and up in price its raping people, there is an element of personal responsibility but there is a huge governmental responsibility, people always like to focus on the personal accountablity without taking into account the fact that the government is repsonsible for this recession. People cant manage there debt with dollars that dont buy anything.