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    Quote Originally Posted by Hagbard Celine View Post
    No, it's the way the world is. It's not black and white. To prove it, I challenge you to come up with one thing that is black and white.
    You need a male and a female in order to procreate.
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    does anyone have proof one way or another or is this another name-fest

    seriously

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    Quote Originally Posted by 82Marine89 View Post
    You need a male and a female in order to procreate.
    Never hear of the amoeba?

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    Quote Originally Posted by 82Marine89 View Post
    A situation, an assessment, and a conclusion. Black and White. No gray areas.
    What does this even mean? What does "situation, assessment and conclusion" have to do with anything?
    The bottom line is that you're wrong. Nothing is black and white. Murder isn't always wrong. Stealing isn't always wrong. Nothing is universally good or evil. Everything is situation specific. Blanket labels are fundamentally flawed.
    Quote Originally Posted by Gaffer
    Science wants to explain things and understand why they happen. Creationists want to use science to justify their own causes.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hagbard Celine View Post
    No, it's the way the world is. It's not black and white. To prove it, I challenge you to come up with one thing that is black and white.


    Murder, Theft, Rape, Robbery, Burglary, Arson, Kidnapping...And that is just off the top of my head.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hagbard Celine View Post
    What does this even mean? What does "situation, assessment and conclusion" have to do with anything?
    The bottom line is that you're wrong. Nothing is black and white. Murder isn't always wrong. Stealing isn't always wrong. Nothing is universally good or evil. Everything is situation specific. Blanket labels are fundamentally flawed.


    So I take it this means you condone raping a three year old kid...I mean according to YOUR logic the person may have a very valid exuse and it would be ok.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Missileman View Post
    Never hear of the amoeba?
    You don't even need an amoeba. Some complex animals and plants can spontaneously change gender and impregnate themselves. The process is known as "parthenogenesis" and animals as large as the kimodo dragon have been documented doing it. http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/16298548/

    Not to mention Jesus. If you believe that the New Testament is historically accurate, then the virgin birth contradicts your premise.
    Quote Originally Posted by Gaffer
    Science wants to explain things and understand why they happen. Creationists want to use science to justify their own causes.

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    Quote Originally Posted by dread View Post
    Murder, Theft, Rape, Robbery, Burglary, Arson, Kidnapping...And that is just off the top of my head.
    So, breaking into the Pentagon to steal the keys to a transport plane to get to Afghanistan to kidnap Bin Laden and murder him by burning his house down around him would be a bad thing?

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    Quote Originally Posted by dread View Post
    So I take it this means you condone raping a three year old kid...I mean according to YOUR logic the person may have a very valid exuse and it would be ok.
    No, that would be wrong. Obviously specific scenarios are judged according to their specific circumstances. No black and white doesn't mean that nothing can be wrong, it simply means that you can't say things like "all rape is evil." In the circumstance of "raping a three year old kid," obviously that would be wrong. But what if you were at a bar and a scantily clad woman was flirting with you all night so you took her home and engaged her in sexual intercourse and then half-way through she started screaming "rape!" Was your act evil? Were you wrong? Of course not. But it would still be rape if the b*tch decided to press the matter.
    Do you get the concept or are you going to continue to accuse me of condoning toddler rape?
    The same goes for murder. Would you agree that killing a person qualifies as murder? if you said "yes," then I would ask you if you think US soldiers are murderers for killing the guys shooting at them. You'd probably say no. So that proves that not all murder is wrong or evil.
    Nothing is absolute. Everything has gray areas.
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    Science wants to explain things and understand why they happen. Creationists want to use science to justify their own causes.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Missileman View Post
    So, breaking into the Pentagon to steal the keys to a transport plane to get to Afghanistan to kidnap Bin Laden and murder him by burning his house down around him would be a bad thing?

    Actually yes it would.




    Now a person can fly their own ass to Afghanistan and do a citizens arrest on Bin Laden and if he put an AK-47 to their head and somhow this citizen turned the tables and killed Bin Laden in the fight then that would be alright.

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    Quote Originally Posted by dread View Post
    Actually yes it would.




    Now a person can fly their own ass to Afghanistan and do a citizens arrest on Bin Laden and if he put an AK-47 to their head and somhow this citizen turned the tables and killed Bin Laden in the fight then that would be alright.
    Sometimes, the end justifies the means.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hagbard Celine View Post
    No, that would be wrong. Obviously specific scenarios are judged according to their specific circumstances. No black and white doesn't mean that nothing can be wrong, it simply means that you can't say things like "all rape is evil." In the circumstance of "raping a three year old kid," obviously that would be wrong. But what if you were at a bar and a scantily clad woman was flirting with you all night so you took her home and engaged her in sexual intercourse and then half-way through she started screaming "rape!" Was your act evil? Were you wrong? Of course not. But it would still be rape if the b*tch decided to press the matter.
    Do you get the concept or are you going to continue to accuse me of condoning toddler rape?


    No is NO! ASSHOLE.

    I dont give a flying fuck if the woman is walking down YOUR street buck naked. If she changes her mind then you need to blow your wad someplace else.


    Just because the female is a bitch DOES NOT give you the right to rape her. PERIOD!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Missileman View Post
    Sometimes, the end justifies the means.

    There is no need to steal a plane. Hell there is no need to burn down his house. Nor would we be kidnapping him when there is a warrant AND a bounty on his head.

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    Quote Originally Posted by dread View Post
    Murder, Theft, Rape, Robbery, Burglary, Arson, Kidnapping...And that is just off the top of my head.
    Is it wrong for a soldier to murder his enemy?

    Is it wrong for a starving man to steal food?

    Would it be wrong to burn down a building used to make kiddie porn?

    Would it be wrong to kidnap someone if it was for the purpose of saving their life?

    That's just off the top of my head.
    Quote Originally Posted by Gaffer
    Science wants to explain things and understand why they happen. Creationists want to use science to justify their own causes.

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