Originally Posted by Gadget (fmr Marine)
Pretty stupid thing to do, in my opinion.
It's no wonder to me we constantly lose wars, carrying on appeasing the enemy like this.
Not so junior as all that
Pretty stupid thing to do, in my opinion.
It's no wonder to me we constantly lose wars, carrying on appeasing the enemy like this.
Smitten Senior Admin
The problem arises when people confuse kindness for weakness. Which I tend to think highly male-dominated and traditional cultures such as those in the ME, do?
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Enemy of the State
What wars have we lost?
When I die I'm sure to go to heaven, cause I spent my time in hell.
You get more with a kind word and a two by four, than you do with just a kind word.
Not so junior as all that
I'm sure you are right.
Not so junior as all that
Let's see ------------------------------ We lost
Korea
Vietnam
Iraq II
Afghanistan.
We won Iraq I (Desert Storm) and Serbia. Have I missed anything in modern times? I'm not going to count Grenada or Panama.
The Korean War was settled by Armistice, but I consider it a strategic defeat, as the whole situation all these decades later is seriously disadvantageous to us. Though keeping a foothold on the Korean penninsula may conceivably have some value in backing off China as the century goes forward. Or not. Can't tell yet.
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How do you figure we lost Iraq II and Afghanistan, because Joe Biden, Nancy Pelosi and their ilk say so? Or is it because you know once a dem gets into the white house we'll leave and then it will DEFINITELY be a loss?
I noticed you also skipped over WWI and WWII, Spanish American War, Indian Wars, Civil War, War of 1812, and the Revolutionary War. So all told we have it like this:
Revolutionary War - Win
War of 1812 - Win
Civil War - Draw
Indian Wars - Win
Spanish American War - Win
WWI - Win
WWII - Win
Korea - Draw
Vietnam - Loss
Iraq I - Win
Iraq II - Win
Afghanistan - Win
That gives us 9 wins, 1 loss and 2 ties.
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Can't help but notice our only loss is in a war started by the liberal left.
Super Minion
I'd pretty much agree, except with first 'tie.' Last I heard, the former Confederacy was still part of the US, their bid to secede failed. That's a loss in my book. At the same time, it was our worst war.
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I figured I would call that one a tie because there were no real winners. Plus, didn't want to have the big Confederate versus Union debate here.
Not so junior as all that
I agree with the early part of your list except for the Civil War, which "we" won, depending on who you think "we" are.
I explicitly referred to modern times, however.
No, these two wars we are in now are already lost, like Vietnam was at the same stage. We can hold our own enough not to be driven out entirely, but we can't win -------- the momentum is gone and the populace is hostile.
I don't know if the Dems will get us out anytime soon. If they don't, it will devour their administrations, same as losing these wars has devoured Bush's whole presidency. The Dems haven't gotten us out so far; buncha idiots same as the Republicans. However, once a war is lost, everyone who loses their legs and has terrible brain damage and dies is just yet more useless loss to the country and to their families.
Not that Bush cares anything about that, of course. Nor do the Dems, as far as I can see.
Super Minion
ah, the Civil War is debated here from time-to-time. Never bring up Sherman, unless you want the South to rise again.
Member
Are you through reading from the DNC talking points? The country is getting better, the Iraqi security forces are taking more control over things, only to the left is it a loss, because that what it has to be for them. Anything other then a loss in Iraq for the left is a major disaster for them and they can't stand it.
Member
ah, the Civil War is debated here from time-to-time. Never bring up Sherman, unless you want the South to rise again.
One thing I like about Sherman, he knew how to fight a war. No BS, no pussyfooting around. Sherman knew to make war miserable for the population and the people would cry for a deal. Too bad we don't have that same kind of leadership in today's wars. Would have made them come out a lot different.
It does suck though if it's your side Sherman is plowing through.
Super Minion
For certain. He shortened the war though, that's my opinion.
Enemy of the State
The Vietnam war ended in 1973 because Nixon bombed the north into submitting to negotiations to end the war. A peace accord was established. That's a win.
In 1975 north Vietnam attacked south Vietnam and defeated them because our democrat congress refuse to aid them with the material needed to fight. That's a loss for the democrats and south Vietnam. Not the US.
When I die I'm sure to go to heaven, cause I spent my time in hell.
You get more with a kind word and a two by four, than you do with just a kind word.
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