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    Default Dispensationalism: Apostasy in the church

    Dispensationalism is a heretical teaching which has crept into most branches of christianity.

    It holds jews do not need jesus. This is not what jesus or the early church fathers would have said.

    This is not a conspiracy theory, for those of you will undoubtedly want to claim it as such, it is the official teaching of many confused evangelical congregations and the catholic church.


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    It can be said that Dispensationalism defines God’s relationship with men in one of two ways due to ethnic identification. If a man is a Jew, God has a particular economy of redemption for that person, and if he is not, God has a different means to the redemption of that person. The use of the term redemption is broad, speaking to the design and implementation of salvation in its consummate usage from beginning to the conclusion of all things. This does not necessarily mean that God has a different soteriological design for Israel from the church, but rather that in the accomplishment of their salvation, God relates to Israel one way and to the church another way. Much has been made of the early charges against classic Dispensationalists; that they define two plans of salvation between God and men. Robert L. Saucy writes, “dispensationalists have more recently been careful to explain that the progression in the dispensations involves no change in the fundamental principle of salvation by grace.”2 This progress in dispensational theology is erasing the early acrimony aroused by overt statements of discontinuity in the plan of God.

    Whatever form Dispensationalism takes, it is always distinguishable by this most fundamental presupposition, that it purports an abiding distinction between peoples based upon ethnicity. Historic or classic Dispensationalism held this tenet; neo or revised Dispensationalism affirmed this thought, and progressive Dispensationalism holds this presupposition. Dispensationalism is Dispensationalism because it is built upon this most fundamental presupposition that God relates to ethnic Israel one way and to all other men another.

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    There are lots of christian groups and sects. There's a church in KY that handles rattle snakes as proof of their beliefs and faith. There are thousands of small unaffiliated churches. Just because one group says dispensation is ok doesn't mean they all do.
    When I die I'm sure to go to heaven, cause I spent my time in hell.

    You get more with a kind word and a two by four, than you do with just a kind word.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gaffer View Post
    There are lots of christian groups and sects. There's a church in KY that handles rattle snakes as proof of their beliefs and faith. There are thousands of small unaffiliated churches. Just because one group says dispensation is ok doesn't mean they all do.
    I'm saying "many do". Get over it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by TheSage View Post
    I'm saying "many do". Get over it.
    As in millions--

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    The Bible is clear that anyone living today (or any day after Christ's death and resurrection) would have to accept Jesus as the Messiah to receive salvation. However, the Bible is also quite clear that the Jews (i.e. the descendants of Israel) are still a people with a special covenant with God. I would disagree with classic dispensationalists, who would say that Jews gain salvation by means other than faith in Christ, but I would agree that the Jews are still a covenant people in God's eyes.

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    Quote Originally Posted by 5stringJeff View Post
    The Bible is clear that anyone living today (or any day after Christ's death and resurrection) would have to accept Jesus as the Messiah to receive salvation. However, the Bible is also quite clear that the Jews (i.e. the descendants of Israel) are still a people with a special covenant with God. I would disagree with classic dispensationalists, who would say that Jews gain salvation by means other than faith in Christ, but I would agree that the Jews are still a covenant people in God's eyes.

    Do the "covenant people" need christ for salvation? It seems like you're saying two opposing things, as if it makes sense somehow.

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    Even in jesus's day, the jews had turned from god and become a rabbinical, authoritarian racist cult, as it still is to this day.

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    Jews...

    Catholics...

    Evangelical Christians...

    Is there anyone who you don't harbor an irrational fear towards?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nate View Post
    Jews...

    Catholics...

    Evangelical Christians...

    Is there anyone who you don't harbor an irrational fear towards?
    Tell me, nate, what's your attitude towards a global theocracy?

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    The notion of a worldwide Caliphate is terrifying.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nate View Post
    The notion of a worldwide Caliphate is terrifying.
    Yes it is. ANd is also not inconsistent with the noahide vision. Islam is a noahide compliant faith.

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    Well, yes.

    So is Christianity.

    No surprise there. All three are Abrahamic, after all.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nate View Post
    Well, yes.

    So is Christianity.

    No surprise there. All three are Abrahamic, after all.
    No. Christianity is not. The official view is that the divinity of christ is an idolatrous belief.

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    Not all Christians see Jesus as divine.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nate View Post
    Not all Christians see Jesus as divine.
    Then, by definition, those aren't christians. They're noahides.

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