Do you support torture?

[retiredman]

I believe that would need to be said to Yurt, not RSR. Yurt knows better than to do that without YOUR permission to him.

I already GAVER yurt permission to post the texts from the supposedly daming PM's. Yurt already posted the texts from the supposedly damning PM's. Do YOU see anything in there where I admitted that I LIED about anything? RSR just immediately jumped on the pig pile but, of course, he had no idea what the fuck he was talking about (big surprise!). Now you have a chance to show me where I admitted lying in any of the text copied by yurt from our PM's.

The boy is sick. obsessed and sick. I feel sorry for him and wish him well...I honestly do.

[Kathianne]

I already GAVER yurt permission to post the texts from the supposedly daming PM's. Yurt already posted the texts from the supposedly damning PM's. Do YOU see anything in there where I admitted that I LIED about anything? RSR just immediately jumped on the pig pile but, of course, he had no idea what the fuck he was talking about (big surprise!). Now you have a chance to show me where I admitted lying in any of the text copied by yurt from our PM's.

The boy is sick. obsessed and sick. I feel sorry for him and wish him well...I honestly do.

I just got back from work, only saw the one I replied to. I'll keep reading. Have a glass of wine or something, it's good for your blood pressure.

[Yurt]

I believe that would need to be said to Yurt, not RSR. Yurt knows better than to do that without YOUR permission to him.

its cool kath. he gave me permission, i posted the main parts of the pm's that showed he knew i called him a liar for insulting his father and that if he did not want me to call him a liar anymore, he needed to come clean to the board about his dishonesty, e.g., recant. i could post more, but it is enough, and no matter what, he will mince words, lie and do whatever because he never said the exact word "lie" even though it is quite clear i said he lied and that in order for me to stop calling him a liar, he needed to come clean about his lie that i insulted his father.

since he is dishonest, there is no further need for me to discuss it with him.

[Yurt]

well, i said i was done, but it is clear i must post a little more from the pm's as mfm is now calling me a sick obsessed liar...


MFM

Oh...and when did I insult a family member? Or are you tone deaf to sarcasm?

YURT

you call that card now after going after me about your dad when you know full well i spoke about your dad in the same vernacular... this is why i think you are scum. you know full well i never talked ill about your father, yet you continued to berate me, you talk about my uncle and EXPECT me to accept sarcasm....that is intellectually DISHONEST.

that is what i do not like about you, i don't care if you are an ass, i can't stand dishonesty

MFMthe commment about the uncle was sarcasm. I implied that "you" were a little boy who had gotten a hold of his uncle Yurt's computer. I was implying that your reply was so immature that it sounded as if a young child had written it while uncle Yurt was off working. I am sorry that such sarcasm escaped you. I was not saying anything about your uncle. I was implying that you were the uncle and your little nephew was banging away at DP in your absence.

wow.

I don't lie. I HATE being called a liar and you know that very well, yet you continue to say the one thing that makes me see red. And then you try to take the moral high ground.

YURTthat is your response, no shit dumbass, fuck you. you know full well my comment was NOT about your dad moron, you are a liar, you're just too stupid to see it.
bye bye fake/liar preacher, you had your chance, i even told you, i respect you because your church members do, and this is how you deal with me... fool, only one conclusion, you are a drunk and a liar

as we all know mfm went on and on in a thread about how i insulted his dad, so i used his comment about my uncle to show him (after he refused my understanding in that thread) that my comment about his dad not being an attorney went to MFM's integrity as MFM was insulting lawyers in such a negative fashion. after calling MFM a liar for saying i insulted his father....his response:

I understand that your comments were not denigrating my dad

you see, he knew and did not refute that he lied about, his reply accepted that he lied, i again mention his lie.

would love to have this PM open to the board. you flat out said that my post was an insult to your dad, in fact, you kept the whole thread running on it.... and now, and now, you admit it you knew i DID NOT insult your dad....

are you man enough to admit to the board i never insulted your dad?

i will admit that your post had nothing to do with my uncle...of course i know, the SAME as you did, yet you told the board i insulted your father. will you recant? if so, i will not call you a liar. unless of course you lie again. but, if you make it public, i will as well.

sorry to talk more about this when i said i wouldn't, but that is pretty much the whole story. i honestly thought after seeing the brief version mfm would apologize and say, oh yeah, i guess i did admit lying. he knew exactly what i was asking him to do and he knew i was calling him a liar for that.

my mistake on not making him spell it out, but i trusted him and did not feel like dragging it out further. clearly he is obsessed and untrustworthy.

[red states rule]

Back to the topic of the thread, and more from the kook left on torture

Canadian Boy Forced to Endure Discomfort, Drowsiness in Gitmo Torture Chamber
By now, everyone has seen the horrific video of a 15-year old Canadian boy being tortured at Bush's Guantanamo Bay Concentration Camp. However, many remain blissfully unaware of the tragic story that led to his illegal and immoral capture at the hands of our babykilling U.S. troops.

It all began when a scrappy young Omar Khadr was goofing around in an Afghani warzone, as all boisterous young men his age are apt do, when one of the grenades he was juggling to impress some local girls just happened to explode. Sergeant First Class Christopher James Speer, who was not wearing a helmet at the time, was killed in the explosion. But in a way, SFC Speer got off easy, for he was never forced to stay up way past his bedtime and endure hours of annoying questions in an uncomfortable chair while tears poured from his big, puppy-dog eyes and wails for his mommy echoed throughout the darkened corridors of Bush's underground torture chamber.

"I can't move my arms!" Khadr wails in the chilling video, lifting up his shirt with his toes to reveal either his hairy man-nipples, or the fading scars of torture at the hands of Bush's goons. "Help me! Help me!"

If it wasn't for the court-ordered release of this damning video, Khadr's cries for help would have never been answered. The heartbreaking story of his sleepless nights and general discomfort would have never been revealed. Nor would the family of of SFC Speer have an opportunity to apologize for the suffering young Khadr was forced to endure because their Gung-Ho son decided to interrupt an innocent teenage slumber party at a baby-milk factory.

Don't get me wrong. I'm not saying that Khadr doesn't deserve some share of the guilt here. But he must be considered innocent until proven guilty by the World Court, and then released back into the wilds of his native Great White North to suckle upon its abundance of hooker-fed bacon and sniveling progressives.

http://blamebush.typepad.com/blamebu...an-boy-fo.html

[Yurt]

as i was discussing with manu before, who establishes whether it is torture when it is not spelled out?

[Said1]

Back to the topic of the thread, and more from the kook left on torture

Canadian Boy Forced to Endure Discomfort, Drowsiness in Gitmo Torture Chamber
By now, everyone has seen the horrific video of a 15-year old Canadian boy being tortured at Bush's Guantanamo Bay Concentration Camp. However, many remain blissfully unaware of the tragic story that led to his illegal and immoral capture at the hands of our babykilling U.S. troops.

It all began when a scrappy young Omar Khadr was goofing around in an Afghani warzone, as all boisterous young men his age are apt do, when one of the grenades he was juggling to impress some local girls just happened to explode. Sergeant First Class Christopher James Speer, who was not wearing a helmet at the time, was killed in the explosion. But in a way, SFC Speer got off easy, for he was never forced to stay up way past his bedtime and endure hours of annoying questions in an uncomfortable chair while tears poured from his big, puppy-dog eyes and wails for his mommy echoed throughout the darkened corridors of Bush's underground torture chamber.

"I can't move my arms!" Khadr wails in the chilling video, lifting up his shirt with his toes to reveal either his hairy man-nipples, or the fading scars of torture at the hands of Bush's goons. "Help me! Help me!"

If it wasn't for the court-ordered release of this damning video, Khadr's cries for help would have never been answered. The heartbreaking story of his sleepless nights and general discomfort would have never been revealed. Nor would the family of of SFC Speer have an opportunity to apologize for the suffering young Khadr was forced to endure because their Gung-Ho son decided to interrupt an innocent teenage slumber party at a baby-milk factory.

Don't get me wrong. I'm not saying that Khadr doesn't deserve some share of the guilt here. But he must be considered innocent until proven guilty by the World Court, and then released back into the wilds of his native Great White North to suckle upon its abundance of hooker-fed bacon and sniveling progressives.

http://blamebush.typepad.com/blamebu...an-boy-fo.html

Given his age, I'm surprised he not here a the Holiday Innes (youth det centre) watching Zoey 101 re-runs.

[red states rule]

Given his age, I'm surprised he not here a the Holiday Innes (youth det centre) watching Zoey 101 re-runs.

If the peace niks had their way, he would put up in the Hilton

[Said1]

If the peace niks had their way, he would put up in the Hilton

Given the Arar scenario, the media portrays him as a victim.

[red states rule]

Given the Arar scenario, the media portrays him as a victim.

The liberal media portrays the terrorists as freedom fighters, and US troops as war criminals

I am sad to say so do most Dems

[Yurt]

define severe and prolonged.......and iminent death.....

exactly, great point and thats my point, i am not sure

is it a subjective standard? somehow i doubt it or anyone could say i'm tortured, i'm tortured

this is the heart of the matter

[retiredman]

in reality, don't you think it is really something like pornography?

It is tough to define with words, but when youy SEE it, you know you have seen it.

[red states rule]

in reality, don't you think it is really something like pornography?

It is tough to define with words, but when youy SEE it, you know you have seen it.

Given your sick and demented posts, you should be expert on the topic

[Kathianne]

the fact remains....your statement implied that you thought the waterboarding was torture just like my statement implied that you had weird sexual proclivities...to split hairs and try to claim apples and oranges when the real difference might be navel oranges and tangerines...is pretty fucking weak.

and to call me a LIAR for arriving at the same sort of inference to the phrase that your buddy RSR did is pretty foul.

I got a great and normal sex life. I made an analogy.... don't like it? put me on ignore. But either way, PUHLEEESE quit following me around and nitpicking my every post and calling me a liar. I have asked you nicely on several occasions.

And you wonder why so many cal you a liar? With these types of 'arguments'. Seriously, you need to look at what you do, before castigating other for not castigating others.

This was just sick.

and I gave RSR an example that mirrored yours and even your butt buddy agreed with me that I had implied you liked to fuck dead whores.

I stated clearly that I did not know whether you liked to fuck dead whores or not....but somehow, your pal RSR was determined that I had implied that you did.

go figure.

And here you keep digging.

Bush has been wiping his ass with it since 9/12/01. The Constitution was never meant to be cast aside in times of trouble. Only those bent on subverting it would seek to do so, and it is only by the support of their craven dupes, cowed by the fear of some shadowy menace, which allows them to do so.

You and your fellow travelers really have no idea of what you're so willing to throw away because the bunch of fascists infesting the White House prey and pander to your own base fears.

You and your ilk disgust me.

And you've been conversing with Abe and Franklin, have you?

[retiredman]

bogus!