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    It is my sole purpose until November, and at all other times actually to educate folks as to why the LP is better for America than the two clusterfucks we have in power. Anyone care to debate it?
    If you continue to think the way you have always thought, you will continue to get what you have always got!

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    Lou Dobbs won't accept is his elected!
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    im on the fence. I will NOT be a republican, I hate the democrats,but i dont agree with the libertarians on atleast one major issue.

    so go ahead, educate me

    can one really have a fundamental disagreement or disagreement with a party and still be a part of it?

    Quote Originally Posted by emmett View Post
    It is my sole purpose until November, and at all other times actually to educate folks as to why the LP is better for America than the two clusterfucks we have in power. Anyone care to debate it?

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    Quote Originally Posted by April15 View Post
    Lou Dobbs won't accept is his elected!
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    Quote Originally Posted by actsnoblemartin View Post
    im on the fence. I will NOT be a republican, I hate the democrats,but i dont agree with the libertarians on atleast one major issue.

    so go ahead, educate me

    can one really have a fundamental disagreement or disagreement with a party and still be a part of it?
    what issue?

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    Quote Originally Posted by actsnoblemartin View Post
    im on the fence. I will NOT be a republican, I hate the democrats,but i dont agree with the libertarians on atleast one major issue.

    so go ahead, educate me

    can one really have a fundamental disagreement or disagreement with a party and still be a part of it?

    Martin, I am as hard core a Libertarian as it gets and YES.......I disagree with a few points on the platform. What I do believe in stringer than other issue in any platform, is total liberty. Complete freedom to do what I want, when I want, with absolutely NO government intrusion.

    I don't want my property taken to build a mall.

    I want to keep as much of my CASH in MY pocket as I want.

    I don't want my bank account snooped in.

    I want to be equal with ALL Americans, I also want to pay the exact same tax as EVERYONE else.

    I want child molesters to fill our prison cells, not marijuana smokers.

    I do not want to be randomly stopped and searched for ANY reason.....EVER!

    I do not want a social security number......I have a name. With flat tax I won't need one for there will be no reason for the government to keep up with me.

    I don't want to register my guns and if someone breaks in my house, I'm going to kill them. I don't think it is fair to prosecute someone for this.

    I want to be responsible for myself, my children and grandchildren. I want to make the decisions that are important in their lives, NOT GOVERNMENT! If I choose to spank my child, it is none of their damn business.

    I want to be responsible for my families education. I can teach them myself better than the damn government with their system of penalizing smart kids to make them wait on "challanged or neglected" ones.





    These are alot of good reasons to be a Libertarian. I don't have to agree with Abortion (which I do not), open homosexuality (which I don't). However in order to acheive COMPLETE liberty, I have to be tolerant. That is the only way.


    VOTE LIBARTARIAN! Patrick Henry did, 200 years before there was a LIbertarian Party.
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    Quote Originally Posted by emmett View Post
    Martin, I am as hard core a Libertarian as it gets and YES.......I disagree with a few points on the platform. What I do believe in stringer than other issue in any platform, is total liberty. Complete freedom to do what I want, when I want, with absolutely NO government intrusion.

    I don't want my property taken to build a mall.

    I want to keep as much of my CASH in MY pocket as I want.

    I don't want my bank account snooped in.

    I want to be equal with ALL Americans, I also want to pay the exact same tax as EVERYONE else.

    I want child molesters to fill our prison cells, not marijuana smokers.

    I do not want to be randomly stopped and searched for ANY reason.....EVER!

    I do not want a social security number......I have a name. With flat tax I won't need one for there will be no reason for the government to keep up with me.

    I don't want to register my guns and if someone breaks in my house, I'm going to kill them. I don't think it is fair to prosecute someone for this.

    I want to be responsible for myself, my children and grandchildren. I want to make the decisions that are important in their lives, NOT GOVERNMENT! If I choose to spank my child, it is none of their damn business.

    I want to be responsible for my families education. I can teach them myself better than the damn government with their system of penalizing smart kids to make them wait on "challanged or neglected" ones.





    These are alot of good reasons to be a Libertarian. I don't have to agree with Abortion (which I do not), open homosexuality (which I don't). However in order to acheive COMPLETE liberty, I have to be tolerant. That is the only way.


    VOTE LIBARTARIAN! Patrick Henry did, 200 years before there was a LIbertarian Party.
    You have convinced me emmett, next election the Libertarians get my vote........ that would be the 2012 election. Get some Senators, State and Federal, Representatives, State and Federal and lets go!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Sitarro View Post
    You have convinced me emmett, next election the Libertarians get my vote........ that would be the 2012 election. Get some Senators, State and Federal, Representatives, State and Federal and lets go!
    Thata boy! You're getting there my friend. That guy in the booth!






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    Quote Originally Posted by emmett View Post
    It is my sole purpose until November, and at all other times actually to educate folks as to why the LP is better for America than the two clusterfucks we have in power. Anyone care to debate it?
    I want to discuss it with you more, but im too tired right now, so please educate me, and we'll discuss here and in pm's tommorrow ok?

    personally I think a vote for either douche bag is a vote for status quo, both parties have been failing our country for OVER 40 YEARS!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sitarro View Post
    You have convinced me emmett, next election the Libertarians get my vote........ that would be the 2012 election. Get some Senators, State and Federal, Representatives, State and Federal and lets go!
    Sitarro, you as usual have made a very good point. Unfortunately, there is no time for conventional methods. We need a tea party friend.

    We need to start at the top and work down, not bottom and work up on this one. As soon as a Libertarian is elected, forst of all, several politicians will switch to LP...........immediately! I assure you. Everyone will be jostling to line themselves with the new president. You see, he won't belong to eiother side, he will belong to the American people.

    I'm so excited just thinking about what the moment would be like to watch how fast this country would begin (faster than any legislation ever did) to change. Bob Barr would be a true arbitraitor. No party favorites. No pals. No collusion! How fascinating woulod it be to see government overseen by a real non-biused president. How fast do you think politicians would be waffling around trying to show how THEY were on the side of the average American..........like the president is! You can't tell me that you wouldn't be tingling. And if you would......you need to be voting for Bob Barr.

    Brother, we need to take our country back. You're a Libertarian and you know it in your heart. Millions of Americans are, but they like you have indicated are afraid they will waste their vote, or cost one of the candidates the election........Who gives a shit! It's time man.

    What if the Republicans do lose 15 or so % of their votes. What do think the GOP would do then? Well, for starters they would stop this "acting like democrats spending shit", they woulod take a stand on civil liberty. America will survive 4 years of Barack Obama my friend. We survived the depression. WW2, the 70's and the cold war, we'll survive that fuckstick! In the meantine, the Republican Party will wake up and get back to the party of small government, liberty and freedom.

    A forest fire might be just what they need to rebirth. Look what happens in the forest after a fire!
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    Quote Originally Posted by actsnoblemartin View Post
    I want to discuss it with you more, but im too tired right now, so please educate me, and we'll discuss here and in pm's tommorrow ok?

    personally I think a vote for either douche bag is a vote for status quo, both parties have been failing our country for OVER 40 YEARS!
    since 1960....interesting..... there have been at least two maybe three major economic expansions.....and at least three major world changing events.....all of which improved the quality of life around the world.....

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    Quote Originally Posted by manu1959 View Post
    since 1960....interesting..... there have been at least two maybe three major economic expansions.....and at least three major world changing events.....all of which improved the quality of life around the world.....
    But, to balance that out, the roots of the current problems were sown there as well. Korea, Vietnam, The cold war, the red scare, the blacklisting of "communist sympathizers". Heck we seem to have been taking a swing back toward McCarthyism the past few years.

    It was definitely a Hyperbole, but there are the beginnings of the problems in that time frame.
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    What is this? An Ayn Rand clusterfuck? Really guys, it's rather boring. Know what I mean?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Psychoblues View Post
    What is this? An Ayn Rand clusterfuck? Really guys, it's rather boring. Know what I mean?
    So you don't "get" Ayn Rand either? I'm rereading The Fountainhead for the fourth time, outstanding mind. Having lived under the oversized thumb of communism, she truly understands, with disgust, the destructiveness of the collectivist mindset and what it does to creativity and every other thing that makes humans great.

    Hopefully if Hollywood ever does try to do Atlas Shrugged, it will be done by people that understand her and her philosophies. It would have to be a series on HBO that would last a year........ actually I don't think Hollywood could possibly handle it.
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    If that ever happens, zero, I swear I'll shoot the TV, HD or not, and probably disown every member of my family that would ever speak her worthless name.

    Quote Originally Posted by Sitarro View Post
    So you don't "get" Ayn Rand either? I'm rereading The Fountainhead for the fourth time, outstanding mind. Having lived under the oversized thumb of communism, she truly understands, with disgust, the destructiveness of the collectivist mindset and what it does to creativity and every other thing that makes humans great.

    Hopefully if Hollywood ever does try to do Atlas Shrugged, it will be done by people that understand her and her philosophies. It would have to be a series on HBO that would last a year........ actually I don't think Hollywood could possibly handle it.
    As you might surmise, zero, I am no fan of Ayn Rand. And I have good reasons for my attitude towards her!!!!!!!!!! Why don't you start an Ayn Rand thread? I think it would be at least entertaining, unlike her pitiful books?!?!?!?!?!????!?!

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