OBAMA says: You can't just listen to Rush Limbaugh

[OCA]

you're kidding right...

FISA for starters

oh, and we're talking about obama, not bush

Nope, we're not going to dodge Repubs who broke promises.

FISA don't mean shit..................nation building cost about 3,000 plus American lives...................needlessly.

[red states rule]

And there aren't any earmarks in the bill..................just job creation spenditures.

Obama................truth teller........................its killing you, isn't it?

You are such a fool OCA. You are boxed in the corner and are so desperate

Job creators eh?

20 million “for the removal of small- to medium-sized fish passage barriers.”(Pg. 45 of Senate Appropriations Committee report:“20,000,000 for the removal of small- to medium-sized fish passage barriers)

$400 million for STD prevention (Pg. 60 of Senate Appropriations Committee report:“CDC estimates that a proximately 19 million new STD infections occur annually in the United States …The Committee has included $400,000,000 for testing and prevention of these conditions.”)

$25 million to rehabilitate off-roading (ATV) trails (Pg. 45 of Senate Appropriations Committee report:“$25,000,000 is for recreation maintenance, especially for rehabilitation of off-road vehicle routes, and $20,000,000 is for trail maintenance and restoration”)

$34 million to remodel the Department of Commerce HQ (Pg. 15 of Senate Appropriations Committee report:$34,000,000 for the Department of Commerce renovation and modernization”)

$70 million to “Support Supercomputing Activities” for climate research (Pgs. 14-15 of Senate Appropriations Committee Report:$70,000,000 is directed to specifically support supercomputing activities, especially as they relate to climate research)

$150 million for honey bee insurance (Pg. 102 of Senate Appropriations Committee report:“The Secretary shall use up to $ 50,000,000 per year, and $150,000,000 in the case of 2009, from the Trust Fund to provide emergency relief to eligible producers of livestock, honey bees, and farm-raised fish to aid in the reduction of losses due to disease, adverse weather, or other conditions, such as blizzards and wildfires, as determined by the Secretary”)

[Yurt]

Whats so funny?

If McCain had had more experience or trust on the economic issue he would've won.................its as simple as that.

i'll buy trust, but not experience. even mfm, er moderate democrat, said obama's experience didn't matter so much as character. people voted against bush more than they voted for obama. the simple fact is, obama did not have more experience. if he did, you could easily cite to it.

obama himself, when asked if he had more economic experience than palin, cited his campaign as experience and the large budge his campaign had. now thats funny! couldn't cite anything, so he cites the fact he is running for office as his experience....

[OCA]

You are such a fool OCA. You are boxed in the corner and are so desperate

Job creators eh?

20 million “for the removal of small- to medium-sized fish passage barriers.”(Pg. 45 of Senate Appropriations Committee report:“20,000,000 for the removal of small- to medium-sized fish passage barriers)

$400 million for STD prevention (Pg. 60 of Senate Appropriations Committee report:“CDC estimates that a proximately 19 million new STD infections occur annually in the United States …The Committee has included $400,000,000 for testing and prevention of these conditions.”)

$25 million to rehabilitate off-roading (ATV) trails (Pg. 45 of Senate Appropriations Committee report:“$25,000,000 is for recreation maintenance, especially for rehabilitation of off-road vehicle routes, and $20,000,000 is for trail maintenance and restoration”)

$34 million to remodel the Department of Commerce HQ (Pg. 15 of Senate Appropriations Committee report:$34,000,000 for the Department of Commerce renovation and modernization”)

$70 million to “Support Supercomputing Activities” for climate research (Pgs. 14-15 of Senate Appropriations Committee Report:$70,000,000 is directed to specifically support supercomputing activities, especially as they relate to climate research)

$150 million for honey bee insurance (Pg. 102 of Senate Appropriations Committee report:“The Secretary shall use up to $ 50,000,000 per year, and $150,000,000 in the case of 2009, from the Trust Fund to provide emergency relief to eligible producers of livestock, honey bees, and farm-raised fish to aid in the reduction of losses due to disease, adverse weather, or other conditions, such as blizzards and wildfires, as determined by the Secretary”)

So who does all those things? Machines?

He's going to create jobs in the very least and that fucking kills you.

Partisan hacks like you are the fools because its party before country.

[Yurt]

Nope, we're not going to dodge Repubs who broke promises.

FISA don't mean shit..................nation building cost about 3,000 plus American lives...................needlessly.

they do it too...

give it time, obama will break more promises

[red states rule]

So who does all those things? Machines?

He's going to create jobs in the very least and that fucking kills you.

Partisan hacks like you are the fools because its party before country.

They are not permanent jobs - what happens after the work is done. Like the "Big Dig" multiply the cost by a factor of about 5

IF 4 million jobs are created - which is doubtful - the cost to the taxpayer is $230,000 per job

How is 150 million for honey bee ins a job maker? or $5 billion to ACORN?

[red states rule]

So who does all those things? Machines?

He's going to create jobs in the very least and that fucking kills you.

Partisan hacks like you are the fools because its party before country.

Here is more of the pork you said was not in the bill

5 billion to ACORN

$50 million for the National Endowment of Arts

$726 million for an afterschool snack program

By all accounts, the $73 billion wish list may be the largest collection of parochial spending projects in American history. Strolling through the 800 pages, we found such beauties as:$1 million to upgrade the Los Angeles County Convention Center elevated “catwalk” for cameras and lighting; $350,000 for an Albuquerque, N.M., fitness center; $94 million for a parking garage at the Orange Bowl in Miami; $4.5 million for Gretna, Florida, to bottle water with recyclable bottles; a $35 million music hall of fame in Florissant, Missouri, and $3.1 million for a swimming pool in Tulsa.

Oh, and desperate Santa Barbara, Calif., respectfully requests $80,000 for a tennis facility; Savannah, Georgia, would like to build a children’s museum; Ventura, Calif., wants $6 million to renovate the beach at Surfers Point, and Durham, N.C., home of the Durham Bulls, wants to construct the first Minor League Baseball Hall of Fame. Dayton, Ohio, wants $1.5 million to reduce prostitution with education programs, and Ponce, Puerto Rico wants $5.7 million to improve its cruise ship terminal (which will create all of 60 jobs

[OCA]

people voted against bush more than they voted for obama.

And who told you that would happen? Who told you about 18 months before the election that it didn't matter which Repub ran for whatever freakin office in November that they would get wiped out, that the winning percentage would be in the single digits? For chrissakes Al Franken is probably going to the Senate!

But it ain't just Bush's fault, Repubs have fucked up on so many fronts and so many issues in the past 8 years that I don't have the time to discuss them all or the persons involved there are so freakin many.

What is sad though, what really depresses me is that it is painfully obvious that Repubs are no longer fiscally responsible conservatives. That maybe, just maybe, conservatism in respect to economics is not right, that it in fact has done much more damage to the economy than the liberal model. That can't be argued against with a straight face.

[OCA]

Here is more of the pork you said was not in the bill

5 billion to ACORN

$50 million for the National Endowment of Arts

$726 million for an afterschool snack program

By all accounts, the $73 billion wish list may be the largest collection of parochial spending projects in American history. Strolling through the 800 pages, we found such beauties as:$1 million to upgrade the Los Angeles County Convention Center elevated “catwalk” for cameras and lighting; $350,000 for an Albuquerque, N.M., fitness center; $94 million for a parking garage at the Orange Bowl in Miami; $4.5 million for Gretna, Florida, to bottle water with recyclable bottles; a $35 million music hall of fame in Florissant, Missouri, and $3.1 million for a swimming pool in Tulsa.

Oh, and desperate Santa Barbara, Calif., respectfully requests $80,000 for a tennis facility; Savannah, Georgia, would like to build a children’s museum; Ventura, Calif., wants $6 million to renovate the beach at Surfers Point, and Durham, N.C., home of the Durham Bulls, wants to construct the first Minor League Baseball Hall of Fame. Dayton, Ohio, wants $1.5 million to reduce prostitution with education programs, and Ponce, Puerto Rico wants $5.7 million to improve its cruise ship terminal (which will create all of 60 jobs

Awesome! More upgrading of the infrastructure which means more job creation!

Guess it better than the Repub and conservative alternative......pay CEO bonuses or do nothing.

[OCA]

They are not permanent jobs - what happens after the work is done. Like the "Big Dig" multiply the cost by a factor of about 5

IF 4 million jobs are created - which is doubtful - the cost to the taxpayer is $230,000 per job

How is 150 million for honey bee ins a job maker? or $5 billion to ACORN?

So you support the Repub "pay CEO bonuses and do nothing else alernative?

History proves that JUST tax cuts do not create jobs.

[jimnyc]

Somebody get this man laid!

He has the experience and the wisdom, I believe it and the voters believe it even though there is not much of a paper trail to document that experience, you don't believe it, so be it.

It's not a matter of belief, it's either he has the experience you stated or he doesn't. You made the statement and simply cannot back it up. I don't believe it because it doesn't exist and you can't supply is with a damn thing to backup your statement. And why? Because it doesn't exist.

Just believing a man has the experience doesn't make it so. Either post appropriate evidence of your claims or admit you haven't a clue what you're posting about regarding his "shitload of economic experience".

[red states rule]

Awesome! More upgrading of the infrastructure which means more job creation!

Guess it better than the Repub and conservative alternative......pay CEO bonuses or do nothing.

OCA, if you REALLY want to create jobs - do not them shovels to do the digging - give them spoons

We can get more on the payroll that way

Seem you have become a full blown liberal OCA. Let the pork flow like a river

You still have not addressed why Obama lied about the pork or what will happen to those "created" jobs when the project is done

Pass another pork bill where the jobs will cost $230,000 each?

[OCA]

they do it too...

give it time, obama will break more promises

When have Demos engaged in nation building? Oh wait I know, WWII, Germany and Japan, and they did a wonderful job in less time.

I know you won't seriously compare Iraq to post WWII Germany and Japan as being anywhere close to an equal job on the quality level..................that would be fucking outrageous!

[red states rule]

So you support the Repub "pay CEO bonuses and do nothing else alernative?

History proves that JUST tax cuts do not create jobs.

Pres Reagan had 20 million new jobs

Pres Bush had 54 straight months of postive job growth

[5stringJeff]

And who told you that would happen? Who told you about 18 months before the election that it didn't matter which Repub ran for whatever freakin office in November that they would get wiped out, that the winning percentage would be in the single digits? For chrissakes Al Franken is probably going to the Senate!

And who predicted that we'd be dealing with President Hillary Clinton today?

But it ain't just Bush's fault, Repubs have fucked up on so many fronts and so many issues in the past 8 years that I don't have the time to discuss them all or the persons involved there are so freakin many.

This I'll absolutely agree with. I can count the number of small government Republicans on my two hands - and the GOP leadership wants nothing to do with them.

What is sad though, what really depresses me is that it is painfully obvious that Repubs are no longer fiscally responsible conservatives. That maybe, just maybe, conservatism in respect to economics is not right, that it in fact has done much more damage to the economy than the liberal model. That can't be argued against with a straight face.

I wouldn't say for a minute that Bush's economics were conservative. In fact, Bush increased spending at an astronomical rate - more than even LBJ! And that doesn't include spending for the war. So to look at Bush's record and say that conservative economics (i..e small-government, low taxation) has failed is a non sequitor. You'd have to go back to Reagan to find an actual conservative economic Presidency.