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    Quote Originally Posted by Noir View Post
    The one that always gets me is WTC7, not only does it drop like a sack of spuds, but you can clearly see a line of explosions that go through every floor just before the building goes done,

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    As I've said, I've not Jim's patience on arguing this over and over again, but here's a response to Bldg 7's collapse:

    http://74.125.113.132/search?q=cache...&client=safari

    and one more:

    http://www.popularmechanics.com/tech...ml?page=5#wtc7


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    Quote Originally Posted by Kathianne View Post
    As I've said, I've not Jim's patience on arguing this over and over again, but here's a response to Bldg 7's collapse:

    http://74.125.113.132/search?q=cache...&client=safari

    and one more:

    http://www.popularmechanics.com/tech...ml?page=5#wtc7
    While those are interesting, and very detailed arguments, i follow a simple logic in life: believe nothing unless it agrees with your reasoning, and having looked at the videos, it goes against my reasoning to believe that WTC 7 came down completly of its own failings.
    If you also agree that an animals suffering should be avoided rather than encouraged, consider what steps you can take.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Noir View Post
    While those are interesting, and very detailed arguments, i follow a simple logic in life: believe nothing unless it agrees with your reasoning, and having looked at the videos, it goes against my reasoning to believe that WTC 7 came down completly of its own failings.
    It has nothing to do with reasoning. You just want to believe in a conspiracy and your not going to let hard facts get in your way.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Gaffer View Post
    It has nothing to do with reasoning. You just want to believe in a conspiracy and your not going to let hard facts get in your way.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Gaffer View Post
    It has nothing to do with reasoning. You just want to believe in a conspiracy and your not going to let hard facts get in your way.
    Its perfect reasoning IMO.

    I look at that building, i see an explosion on ever floor in a straigt vertical line, and then the building falls down perfectly straight.

    I mean seriously, watch the video, does that look like a building that is falling over due to fire damage?

    I'm sure some will think i'm being closed minded or a hard line conspritor or somthing, but i will not be forced to believe somthing if it goes against my reasoning,
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    Quote Originally Posted by Noir View Post
    Its perfect reasoning IMO.

    I look at that building, i see an explosion on ever floor in a straigt vertical line, and then the building falls down perfectly straight.

    I mean seriously, watch the video, does that look like a building that is falling over due to fire damage?

    I'm sure some will think i'm being closed minded or a hard line conspritor or somthing, but i will not be forced to believe somthing if it goes against my reasoning,
    Let me explain something to you. Those were not explosions. That was the center floors collapsing on one another. You will notice they go down, not up. When bringing something down the first explosions would be at the bottom. If explosives were set they would have been set off electronically, so they would all go off at the same time. Not the movie way. And there would have been no reason to set charges on every floor. There were no explosions at the key points that would bring the building down.

    I do have experience blowing things up and there were no explosives in any of those building.

    So we have my experience verses your reasoning. Maybe you ought to reapply your reasoning.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Gaffer View Post
    Let me explain something to you. Those were not explosions. That was the center floors collapsing on one another. You will notice they go down, not up. When bringing something down the first explosions would be at the bottom. If explosives were set they would have been set off electronically, so they would all go off at the same time. Not the movie way. And there would have been no reason to set charges on every floor. There were no explosions at the key points that would bring the building down.

    I do have experience blowing things up and there were no explosives in any of those building.

    So we have my experience verses your reasoning. Maybe you ought to reapply your reasoning.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Gaffer View Post
    Let me explain something to you. Those were not explosions. That was the center floors collapsing on one another. You will notice they go down, not up. When bringing something down the first explosions would be at the bottom. If explosives were set they would have been set off electronically, so they would all go off at the same time. Not the movie way. And there would have been no reason to set charges on every floor. There were no explosions at the key points that would bring the building down.

    I do have experience blowing things up and there were no explosives in any of those building.

    So we have my experience verses your reasoning. Maybe you ought to reapply your reasoning.
    Say what? Dude the explosions happen BEFORE the building starts to collaspe,
    And i'm sure using your experience you know what a building looks like when demolished by bombs, and you must admit that the way it falls, perfectly, looks like a demolition job,

    And no, i shall not reapply my reasoning, the logic is simple; believe nothing unless it agrees with your reasoning
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    To collapse a building using explosives to come straight down take "MONTHS" of preparation and cutting of strategic support beams and placing "TENSION" cables to pull the outside in upon the explosion. These conspiracy nuts that think you just have to place a few bombs or explosives are just WRONG.

    The video clearly to me shows a collapsing of the structure. Explosives would have blown out the entire floor stating at the BOTTOM not halfway up the structure.

    Do you not think it could just be the foundation was SOO weakened be the collapsing of the two towers that it fell?

    When searching for an answer the SIMPLEST is usually the correct one. I mean really our govt can't even keep a secret as to how we are going to do a military operation do you really think they could "employ" the number of people it would take to do this and it wouldn't have been on the news in less than an hour????
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    This short video shows clearly just how that building fell, and it just doesn't look right,

    Now i have no idea why the goverment would want to get rid of this building, and nor do i think that the goverment planed 9/11 and attacked its own citizens, however i do think it chose to demolish this building.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Noir View Post
    Its perfect reasoning IMO.

    I look at that building, i see an explosion on ever floor in a straigt vertical line, and then the building falls down perfectly straight.

    I mean seriously, watch the video, does that look like a building that is falling over due to fire damage?

    I'm sure some will think i'm being closed minded or a hard line conspritor or somthing, but i will not be forced to believe somthing if it goes against my reasoning,
    If you go frame by frame you will note the left side of the building is starting to collapse (this occurs at 2-3 seconds into the collapse) prior to the right side caving in under the strain (this occurs at 4 seconds in). There are NO explosions.....
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kathianne View Post
    As I've said, I've not Jim's patience on arguing this over and over again, but here's a response to Bldg 7's collapse:

    It looks like the intended detonations of skyscrapers that are to break for giving free ground for new buildings. But what does that prove without considerating the effects of the special architecture and rules of physics that supposely nobody here knows really well ( I don´t either)?

    Regarding the consequences of 9/11 (starting a war Bush and Skull & Bones liked to start, beginning a new area of reducing civil rights and of developing police- and security-forces, big profits for special kinds of industry) You may say: "Those who are sending young US-boys to their death in Vietnam, Iraque and Afghanistan have no scruples to blow away a few thousands of civilists for getting those consequences, too!"

    But: To know the latter should be enough - and I think that should be clear.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Winfried Sobottka View Post
    It looks like the intended detonations of skyscrapers that are to break for giving free ground for new buildings. But what does that prove without considerating the effects of the special architecture and rules of physics that supposely nobody here knows really well ( I don´t either)?
    But the experts that were actually involved with the engineering and subsequent investigation do know, and explained it in detail in a multitude of reports. I've read likely all of them and it makes perfect sense to me. Of course there are parts that I don't understand, but all the experts outside a handful of nutters came to the same conclusions. And yes, I say handful, as a hundred or 2 so called "engineers" disagreeing with the official report, that weren't involved in the investigation, doesn't do much to sway me.

    Regarding the consequences of 9/11 (starting a war Bush and Skull & Bones liked to start, beginning a new area of reducing civil rights and of developing police- and security-forces, big profits for special kinds of industry) You may say: "Those who are sending young US-boys to their death in Vietnam, Iraque and Afghanistan have no scruples to blow away a few thousands of civilists for getting those consequences, too!"
    So Kerry was involved in this too? LOL

    Please re-read what you just wrote and tell me you can say that without giggling like I just did! You tell another member here that they offered no proof in their reply, but you can post this fantasy with nothing to back it up?

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