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    Quote Originally Posted by Noir View Post
    Oh erm, can't memo all the names of hand, 'muti-verse' 'omni-verse' 'many worlds' 'Membrane therory' are the 4 names methinks,
    whatever the name....obviously, there is not yet any scientific evidence for the existence of any other "universe".....the belief in the same is at best an act of faith no different than a belief in a creator....
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    Quote Originally Posted by Noir View Post
    Well we can just wait for the data to start flowing from the LHC, and then prove what we know must be true.
    and I can just wait until I die and ask God if he's real.....
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    Quote Originally Posted by PostmodernProphet View Post
    whatever the name....obviously, there is not yet any scientific evidence for the existence of any other "universe".....the belief in the same is at best an act of faith no different than a belief in a creator....
    We know they exist by theory, much alike black holes, years ago we knew that black holes must have existed even though there was no direct evidence, but all the boffins got there heads together and worked out methods to detect these phenomena, and such enough we have now observed them, and estimate there to be over 100 million of them in our galaxy alone.

    We know Quantum physics is a fact and have built our modern world around it. We know a bi-product of this will be parallel universes. And so the boffins got together again and worked out how to detect them, and to cut a long story short Gravitons are believed to pass freely between universes, and thus projects like the LHC have been set up to try and see Gravitons disappear, and by disappearing from our reality we will know they are passing into a parallel universe.

    Then the next grand race will to create a Quantum tunnel.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Noir View Post
    We know they exist by theory, much alike black holes, years ago we knew that black holes must have existed even though there was no direct evidence, but all the boffins got there heads together and worked out methods to detect these phenomena, and such enough we have now observed them, and estimate there to be over 100 million of them in our galaxy alone.

    We know Quantum physics is a fact and have built our modern world around it. We know a bi-product of this will be parallel universes. And so the boffins got together again and worked out how to detect them, and to cut a long story short Gravitons are believed to pass freely between universes, and thus projects like the LHC have been set up to try and see Gravitons disappear, and by disappearing from our reality we will know they are passing into a parallel universe.

    Then the next grand race will to create a Quantum tunnel.

    LOL...this gets really convoluted doesn't it! Do the "boffins" detect black holes because they exist or because they have inadvertantly developed sensors which cannot help but get any other result? As for the gravitons, does their disappearrance mean they passed into a parallel universe or merely transformed into something we do not have the ability to detect?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Noir View Post
    We know they exist by theory
    lol.....no, you have a theory they exist.....
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    Quote Originally Posted by Noir View Post
    Then the next grand race will to create a Quantum tunnel.
    dude, we have observed "tunneling" already in the universe....but it doesn't lead to the conclusion of an alternate universe.....it merely means something traveled from here to there and we don't know how yet.....
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    Quote Originally Posted by CSM View Post
    LOL...this gets really convoluted doesn't it! Do the "boffins" detect black holes because they exist or because they have inadvertantly developed sensors which cannot help but get any other result? As for the gravitons, does their disappearrance mean they passed into a parallel universe or merely transformed into something we do not have the ability to detect?
    It is very convoluted, but it will only be complex until we can understand it, at which point it will become a simpler idea, and one that is accept just as any other phenomenon of physics.

    We know black holes exist because of their event horizon, this is an area close to the black hole, when matter is being sucking into the hole it reaches speeds close to the speed of light, and so emits x-rays, the detection of these x-rays shows black holes.
    There are also super-massive black holes (billions of times the mass of our sun) it is believed that ever galaxy may have a supper massive black hole, this can be observer by looking into the centre of our galaxy and viewing the motion of the stars near the centre and viewing how they move (as there paths are greatly distorted by the gravity around the supermassive black hole.

    As for the Graviton, that is exactly what will happen, it will turn into something undetectable, as it is no longer in our universe.
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    Quote Originally Posted by PostmodernProphet View Post
    lol.....no, you have a theory they exist.....
    We know they exist by theory, just as we did with black holes, but of course science is never content with just knowing, and thus has set out to prove it, and hopes to in the LHC within the next few years.
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    Quote Originally Posted by PostmodernProphet View Post
    dude, we have observed "tunneling" already in the universe....but it doesn't lead to the conclusion of an alternate universe.....it merely means something traveled from here to there and we don't know how yet.....
    I know we have observed it, and we just it everyday. What i meant was the power to make man-made and controlled quantum tunnels.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Noir View Post
    We know they exist by theory, just as we did with black holes, but of course science is never content with just knowing, and thus has set out to prove it, and hopes to in the LHC within the next few years.
    no, you don't....you have a theory they exist.....it's about time for you to admit you are operating on faith, not evidence......
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    Quote Originally Posted by Noir View Post
    I know we have observed it, and we just it everyday. What i meant was the power to make man-made and controlled quantum tunnels.
    you say that as if you think these are "tunnels"to another universe....that isn't what a "tunnel" is.....

    Many Worlds Theory
    One other interpretation, presented first by Hugh Everett III in 1957, is the many worlds or branching universe interpretation. In this theory, whenever a measurement takes place, the entire universe divides as many times as there are possible outcomes of the measurement. All universes are identical except for the outcome of that measurement. Unlike the science fiction view of "parallel universes", it is not possible for any of these worlds to interact with each other
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