Certainly. I would recommend that you read the book of Acts in the New Testament and consider the cases of conversion listed there.
Those on the day of Pentecost in Acts 2 had to change.
Those in Samaria in Acts 8 had to change.
The Eunuch in Acts 8 had to change.
Saul in Acts 9 had to change.
Cornelius in Acts 10 had to change.
You could also read about Lydia (Acts 16) and the Jailor (Acts 6) and those in Corinth (Acts 18), etc.
Christ NEVER told anyone that they could simply stay in sin and be acceptable to Him.
"Liberals claim to want to give a hearing to other views, but then are shocked and offended to discover that there are other views." William F Buckley, Jr
"Liberals claim to want to give a hearing to other views, but then are shocked and offended to discover that there are other views." William F Buckley, Jr
Sorry.. this is what sux about having discussions via text...
This started off talking about PmP's lack of loving spiriting coming thru in some of his posts.
I contend that if we claim to KNOW LOVE (God) - then that love will ooze out of us and not be telling folks to "f-off" etc.. You know.. talking to people the way Christ would..
I have never said any such thing?!?! Are you claiming that I have?
Which love are you speaking of in the New Testament, there are several kinds.
Christ gave himself up for Man as was the plan of His Father, that does not mean that man does not have a part to play as well. Salvation isn't like a disease, you don't catch it and you don't get it on you like a stain. You have to want it.
"Liberals claim to want to give a hearing to other views, but then are shocked and offended to discover that there are other views." William F Buckley, Jr
Christ went to people in their condition and showed them Love. (note the period). That's the beauty of who He is...and the ultimate illustration of His plan. Our part? Accept his Love.
Adding stipulations to it just cheapens things.
“… the greatest detractor from high performance is fear: fear that you are not prepared, fear that you are in over your head, fear that you are not worthy, and ultimately, fear of failure. If you can eliminate that fear—not through arrogance or just wishing difficulties away, but through hard work and preparation—you will put yourself in an incredibly powerful position to take on the challenges you face" - Pete Carroll.
"Liberals claim to want to give a hearing to other views, but then are shocked and offended to discover that there are other views." William F Buckley, Jr
If the freedom of speech is taken away
then dumb and silent we may be led,
like sheep to the slaughter.
George Washington (1732-1799) First President of the USA.
no....I distinctly remember him telling the disciples that when they found a place where they were rejected they were to wipe the dust from their feet and leave.....he didn't embrace those who refused him.....as for calling myself a Christian, I do so because I believe in Jesus as the Christ.....if those who sin cannot be called Christians, there are no Christians in the world.....
I would certainly be rejecting the God described in Conversations With God if I refused to read about him.....I wouldn't (and don't) know who he is.....how could I be said to accept him?.....
that may be true about the God described in CWG.....it is not true about the God described in the Bible....that God has stated the only way to him is through Jesus Christ....thus it would appear he rejects those who choose to make their own pathway that doesn't include Jesus Christ...Yes .... because God has never rejected them to begin with, therefore, there is no rejection.
the point should be obvious.....Auschwitz was immoral, yet it accomplished exactly what the people who built it, built it for....it "worked", by your definition, it was moral....In whose eyes? For a time it was working for some people and not working for others .... eventually it was eradicated and the majority of the world would say it didn't work, which is why it is no longer in existence. What is your point?
if the obverse of your statement is true then that which didn't work would be immoral.....if turning the other cheek doesn't work, it would be immoral?.....Does always turning the other cheek "work", or does it sometimes lead to demise of the human body, even though it is considered a good thing to do? Sometimes it works and sometimes it doesn't.
...full immersion.....
Perhaps you should read the book..just as you would like others to read the Bible.
Yes ... this is what a very human person said that God said --- maybe he heard wrong? All I know is that I was taught from the Bible and I read CWG and I intuitively believe CWG .... hard to explain .... other than it just feels right that the creator loves all of us.that may be true about the God described in CWG.....it is not true about the God described in the Bible....that God has stated the only way to him is through Jesus Christ....thus it would appear he rejects those who choose to make their own pathway that doesn't include Jesus Christ...
Nope .... never said it was moral .... this is what I referenced:the point should be obvious.....Auschwitz was immoral, yet it accomplished exactly what the people who built it, built it for....it "worked", by your definition, it was moral....
"There is no such thing as Right and Wrong. There is only What Works and What Does Not Work, depending upon what it is that you seek to be, do or have."
No; turning your cheek either "Works or Doesn't Work" - depending upon what one is seeking.if the obverse of your statement is true then that which didn't work would be immoral.....if turning the other cheek doesn't work, it would be immoral?.....
If the freedom of speech is taken away
then dumb and silent we may be led,
like sheep to the slaughter.
George Washington (1732-1799) First President of the USA.
/shrugs, and it feels wrong that some of us don't love the creator....
perhaps I made an assumption......does "what works" equal right and "what does not work" equal wrong?.....if so, then from what you have said, killing people in mass at Auschwitz was "right", because that was what Hitler sought to do.....
look, I'm not trying to make you look like a Nazi, I'm trying to show you why your definition sucks.......
...full immersion.....
It may suck, but it is true..........things work for some and not for others. What works for some (right) doesn't work for others (wrong).....so according to the God of CWG - there is no right or wrong .....just humans trying to work out for themselves what works and what doesn't.
For some turning their cheek works and for others it doesn't work......do we classify "turning your cheek" as right or wrong? Is it right all the time or just when it works? What about the time one turns their cheek and are killed anyway .... were they right or wrong .......... because it didn't work.
Nothing equals right or wrong - there is only what works and what doesn't work. Takes the charge of judgement off the action.....and allows the action to be defined as an action that is furthering the cause or hindering it. Not using the words, right/wrong, moral/immoral takes the emotional charge away and gives a chance to look at the action itself to see if it is gaining the desired results.
That is true - some don't love the creator but the creator is not vindictive or vengeful and doesn't need our love to be complete or to love us. It truly is unconditional love.
If the freedom of speech is taken away
then dumb and silent we may be led,
like sheep to the slaughter.
George Washington (1732-1799) First President of the USA.
God loves all, but He expects us to come to Him on His terms, not our own.
Man has something to do in the scenario above, "come to repentance."Originally Posted by 2 Pet 3:9
I would not speak to freely about God not being vengeful either, as He has a righteous vengeance on those who deny Him.
Originally Posted by Heb 10:30
"Liberals claim to want to give a hearing to other views, but then are shocked and offended to discover that there are other views." William F Buckley, Jr