Mill & intell people est 500 Al Quida left in Pak&Afg.

[Kathianne]

As for Japan, there is no way it can fend off a Chinese attack without a US presence. There is a reason the US is the leader of the world and it's not because we hide in our walls.

-MIA for a few days

China invading Japan? The world will be at war then, not just US China. No reason for US to be world policeman.

[Kathianne]

After WW2 the Japanese constitution stated they could only have a security force. The US and the Japanese themselves determined a large standing army wasn't necessary as the US was there. It still stands today.

The US is not looking for one man. He is a figure head. The US is out to destroy his organization, al queda. It's hard to do when most of the muslim world supports them. If you think capturing or killing bin laden ends things you need to think again.

Over a decade ago, the US recognized that the post WWII ban on Japanese offense was passe. Japan can afford to supply its own defense. If others need to help with manpower, Japan will have to pay for.

[Gaffer]

Over a decade ago, the US recognized that the post WWII ban on Japanese offense was passe. Japan can afford to supply its own defense. If others need to help with manpower, Japan will have to pay for.

Yes, the Japanese have amended their constitution to allow them to build a larger military. I do think a lot of it has to do with them taking the cheap way out and keeping US forces there means they spend less in defense. At the same time we do need bases in the region.

As for pete's comment, china's not about to invade Japan. They are still trying to work up the nerve to take Taiwan. Japan's main concern is north korea.

[Kathianne]

Yes, the Japanese have amended their constitution to allow them to build a larger military. I do think a lot of it has to do with them taking the cheap way out and keeping US forces there means they spend less in defense. At the same time we do need bases in the region.

As for pete's comment, china's not about to invade Japan. They are still trying to work up the nerve to take Taiwan. Japan's main concern is north korea.

Agreed. And the threat of NK is the reason that Japan must take care of their own defense. I don't know if 'bases' are all that necessary given nuclear powered carriers.

[Gaffer]

Agreed. And the threat of NK is the reason that Japan must take care of their own defense. I don't know if 'bases' are all that necessary given nuclear powered carriers.

Even nuclear carriers have to be resupplied and do general maintenance. And if a war needs to be fought in the region its easier to have troops already there and a quick way of supplying them then carting it across the Pacific. The reasons for the bases are logistical. They also serve as early warning sites.

[Kathianne]

Even nuclear carriers have to be resupplied and do general maintenance. And if a war needs to be fought in the region its easier to have troops already there and a quick way of supplying them then carting it across the Pacific. The reasons for the bases are logistical. They also serve as early warning sites.

Build more of the carriers and use them instead of foreign bases. If there were to be invasion of Japan needed, which considering nuclear threat is unlikely, it would get done.

I just don't see the purpose of permanent bases that are to protect other's interests. As I said earlier, the ME is a different kettle.

[revelarts]

I agree we don't need bases in japan. Not only for the reasons you've mentioned Kath but also I've heard (unconfirmed sources) that Japan does have a highly trained militia. I've been told that it's huge. Plus Okinawa has been a black eye against us as afar as PR goes. GI's raping young girls and other generally bad behavior and disrespect for the locals up and down the command. Means were not well liked by some certain factions there. Overall the Japanese like Americans but the the bases, It's my understanding, not so much.

China? when's the last time China Attacked anyone? Japan attacked China the last few times. I get the impression that china really doesn't want any more people to lord it over... directly.

As far as the Middle East Goes. We've never had bases there before Bush 1 and have been able to get oil from there without to much trouble. pay the right people the spiket opens. Even when Saddam was in control of Iraq. And you know as well as i that there's more than enough oil right here in our hemisphere to supply our needs. Plus we don't even get most of our from there anyway. Oil is not a real excuse. except for the oil companies. And we should stop having a troops die for the oil companies in foreign countries. the oil companies make enough money let them hire there own troops to protect the Afghan pipelines and Iraqi Oil fields.

[Kathianne]

China has not been an aggressor nation historically, outside of Asia. Japan's military is unlikely 'huge' due to population limitations alone, not to mention space limitations.

Bases in ME? Iran, Israel as proxy, Iraq in past, Kuwait, Yemen, Bahrain, etc. Then there has been Turkey, via NATO. Uneasy alliances all, but necessary due to oil. We will keep the straits open, if it means ground troops, they will be there. That is not something that would require a world war to necessitate.

[Gaffer]

China attacked US and UN forces in Korea in 1951-52 forcing Korea into a stalemate. They have numerous skirmishes with the russians and invaded and took over Tibet. They also invaded and fought Vietnam in the late 70's early 80's. They have been curtailed somewhat in their expansion by lack of a navy. They have slaughtered their own people to the tune of 60 million. Japan has a right to be concerned about them. And we need to as well.

Japan expanded it's empire in the 20's and 30's because it needed raw material. China has the same needs now. when a country gets big enough they need a lot more, then they start looking at their neighbors.

[Kathianne]

China attacked US and UN forces in Korea in 1951-52 forcing Korea into a stalemate. They have numerous skirmishes with the russians and invaded and took over Tibet. They also invaded and fought Vietnam in the late 70's early 80's. They have been curtailed somewhat in their expansion by lack of a navy. They have slaughtered their own people to the tune of 60 million. Japan has a right to be concerned about them. And we need to as well.

Japan expanded it's empire in the 20's and 30's because it needed raw material. China has the same needs now. when a country gets big enough they need a lot more, then they start looking at their neighbors.

Please note that I said, 'outside of Asia.' US entered Korea, pushing down towards China. Vietnam was under the sphere of influence of both Russia and China. While Russia was certainly using the domino push with US, China confined itself to what it considered its sphere.

The Middle Kingdom is strong in China, only something drastic like open door policies could change a Japan or China.

[Gaffer]

He asked, "when was the last time china attacked anyone?" I pointed out when. I fully agree with your part of the conversation.

[Sweetchuck]

Keep in mind that with the exception of the cave dwelling Islamic fucks, the new warfare frontier might be economically based.

[revelarts]

China attacked US and UN forces in Korea in 1951-52 forcing Korea into a stalemate. They have numerous skirmishes with the russians and invaded and took over Tibet. They also invaded and fought Vietnam in the late 70's early 80's. They have been curtailed somewhat in their expansion by lack of a navy. They have slaughtered their own people to the tune of 60 million. Japan has a right to be concerned about them. And we need to as well.

Japan expanded it's empire in the 20's and 30's because it needed raw material. China has the same needs now. when a country gets big enough they need a lot more, then they start looking at their neighbors.

N-Korea. China attacked US and U.N. forces that were rallied from around the world against a neighbor and fellow commie state. I wouldn't exactly call that aggression, not self exactly self defense either. and the last I checked north Korea is still sovereign, run by it's own special nut job.
Veit Nam. similar. Commie Sovereign but influenced by.
Tibet. I'll give you that.
Russia. ? i don't know anything about that - ya got me

Do we want to compare China's aggression to the ours.
We've attacked multiple countries in South America, in Africa, in the Middle East, in Europe and a few in Asia. Most of whom never attacked us. But we did it for Freedom or humanitarianism. (many times really because of Oil or other resources or corporate control)

China is horror show for it own people but, they are willing to buy most of what they need. And graffer they don't like radical Muslims either. maybe the U.S can team up to solve the Muslim problem.

[LuvRPgrl]

who should we attack next the gaffer?
You named a lot of enemies and an ongoing threat.
What do you think would be the best plan of action?

get a new president

[LuvRPgrl]

N-Korea. China attacked US and U.N. forces that were rallied from around the world against a neighbor and fellow commie state. I wouldn't exactly call that aggression, not self exactly self defense either. and the last I checked north Korea is still sovereign, run by it's own special nut job.
Veit Nam. similar. Commie Sovereign but influenced by.
Tibet. I'll give you that.
Russia. ? i don't know anything about that - ya got me

Do we want to compare China's aggression to the ours.
We've attacked multiple countries in South America, in Africa, in the Middle East, in Europe and a few in Asia. Most of whom never attacked us. But we did it for Freedom or humanitarianism. (many times really because of Oil or other resources or corporate control)

China is horror show for it own people but, they are willing to buy most of what they need. And graffer they don't like radical Muslims either. maybe the U.S can team up to solve the Muslim problem.

However, the US didnt attack to occupy

As for Japan, we dont want or have bases there to protect Japan, they are for other reasons