Health Law Faces Threat of Undercut From Courts

[Mr. P]

Again, I agree. Did you see my last post on tea parties? I'm surprised that they came out about both concentrating on what can be done-not going off on countless 'investigations' and now the push towards local for building a base of capable candidates, outside the other parties.

I didn't I'll look. Like I said a few days ago (I think) in another tread..the time is right for another party.

[Kathianne]

I didn't I'll look. Like I said a few days ago (I think) in another tread..the time is right for another party.

When I said, 'surprised' I don't mean in general, it's what many have been discussing for over a year. But I am surprised that they seemed to put all on notice before January. It bodes well, I think.

I think there will be another party, what I'm unsure of is whether it will be a third or the ideology will overtake the GOP. I am serious.

[Psychoblues]

When I said, 'surprised' I don't mean in general, it's what many have been discussing for over a year. But I am surprised that they seemed to put all on notice before January. It bodes well, I think.

I think there will be another party, what I'm unsure of is whether it will be a third or the ideology will overtake the GOP. I am serious.

Kath, can you catch me up on what you and Mr. P. are talking about? I think my meds are screwin' my mind up a bit?!?!?

Psychoblues

[Kathianne]

Kath, can you catch me up on what you and Mr. P. are talking about? I think my meds are screwin' my mind up a bit?!?!?

Psychoblues

#17, we segued to tea parties.

[Mr. P]

Like I alluded earlier, Mr. P, those that did their dirt to snafu the health legislation will pay their price later. Now is not the time. Just remember that the records in both the Senate and House of Representatives are public.

The health system that we have now is better than the one we had last year. It is scheduled to get even better in the next few years. I wish that the entire congress had been more serious about genuine reform and all this would have already been accomplished and we wouldn't be having this conversation right now.

Psychoblues

You bet the record is public..just wait until folks find out what the GOP proposed in a Bipartisan manor that never made it to vote.

I disagree the system is better today than last year..it's still the same health care quality wise..but access is beginning to fade and will fast under this abortion of a new system.

[Psychoblues]

#17, we segued to tea parties.

I'm still having trouble. I think I need some sleep even though I've had about 30 hours in the last 36. Seriously, this newest is deadening my brain to the point I think I'm going to go back to where I was before. At least I felt better then.

Psychoblues

[Mr. P]

When I said, 'surprised' I don't mean in general, it's what many have been discussing for over a year. But I am surprised that they seemed to put all on notice before January. It bodes well, I think.

I think there will be another party, what I'm unsure of is whether it will be a third or the ideology will overtake the GOP. I am serious.

Yeah, I think we'll have a good idea by August.

[Kathianne]

I'm still having trouble. I think I need some sleep even though I've had about 30 hours in the last 36. Seriously, this newest is deadening my brain to the point I think I'm going to go back to where I was before. At least I felt better then.

Psychoblues

Give it time. Those types of meds really do take time to adjust to.

[Psychoblues]

You bet the record is public..just wait until folks find out what the GOP proposed in a Bipartisan manor that never made it to vote.

I disagree the system is better today than last year..it's still the same health care quality wise..but access is beginning to fade and will fast under this abortion of a new system.

I guess we'll have to agree to disagree on this subject, Mr. P. But you're going to have to accept there has never been any intention whatsoever on the part of the self described conservatives for bipartisanship. They have said from the get go that they hate this President, they hate this Congress and they will not cooperate in any way to the advantage for the American people. OK, that "to the advantage for the American people" phrase is mine but it is nonetheless accurate all things considered.

Psychoblues

[SassyLady]

I guess I missed it when it was on the ballot.

I am a non-person, I did not vote for gov funded healthcare.

[Psychoblues]

I am a non-person, I did not vote for gov funded healthcare.

Just because the election was not unanimous, MKP, does not mean that you are a non person. And I know of no insurance, Medicare or whatever, that is exactly government funded.

Psychoblues

[fj1200]

I guess we'll have to agree to disagree on this subject, Mr. P. But you're going to have to accept there has never been any intention whatsoever on the part of the self described conservatives for bipartisanship. They have said from the get go that they hate this President, they hate this Congress and they will not cooperate in any way to the advantage for the American people. OK, that "to the advantage for the American people" phrase is mine but it is nonetheless accurate all things considered.

Psychoblues

Exactly what did BO want that deserved any bipartisanship? And what were his actions that indicated he wanted any bipartisanship?

[red states rule]

This could be significant. The people have voted and they have voted for healthcare reform. The best that could be brought out of congress was delivered up for passage and it was passed. Much of what is bad in the law was insisted upon by a conservative minority. Then they voted against it anyway. That is another subject but this will jump up like a rattlesnake and bite them on the ass in a few years.


source: New York Times
by Kevin Sack and Robert Pear
Nov. 26, 2010

WASHINGTON — As the Obama administration presses ahead with the health care law, officials are bracing for the possibility that a federal judge in Virginia will soon reject its central provision as unconstitutional and, in the worst case for the White House, halt its enforcement until higher courts can rule.

The judge, Henry E. Hudson of Federal District Court in Richmond, has promised to rule by the end of the year on the constitutionality of the law’s requirement that most Americans obtain insurance, which takes effect in 2014.

Although administration officials remain confident that it is constitutionally valid to compel people to obtain health insurance, they also acknowledge that Judge Hudson’s preliminary opinions and comments could presage the first ruling against the law.

“He’s asked a number of questions that express skepticism,” said one administration official who is examining whether a ruling against part of the law would undermine other provisions. “We have been trying to think through that set of questions,” said the official, who insisted on anonymity because he was not authorized to discuss the case freely............................................ .............................


Much, much more: http://www.nytimes.com/2010/11/27/us...h.html?_r=2&hp

Well worth the time and the read. I choose to remain more optimistic than the article reflects.

Psychoblues

Every poll I have seen shows more then 50% want Obmacare repealed.

It was Dems who were preventing its passage, and that is why we had Reid and Pelosi openly handing out bribes to buy their votes. Some got "stimulus" money, others got waivers where their state would be exempt from Obamacare

Nowhere in the US Constitution does it state the Feds can force a private citizen to buy any product/service under threat of fines and jail

We see the cost of care going up, Obamacare will bust the budget and ad to the deficit, and insurance companies are cutting coverage.

All because of Obamacare

OK PB, now you can post how all of these FACTS are lies, madeup, and taken out of context as you usually do

[KitchenKitten99]

The biggest problem is most are getting confused with is healthCARE and heath INSURANCE. There is a LARGE difference. EVERYONE has access to healthCARE here in the US. You can go into any clinic and be treated without regards to whether you have insurance or not. However the actual difference is who pays for it. What most refer to as health INSURANCE is actually used more like ‘prepaid health CARE’. Think about it. You don’t (and cannot) use your car insurance for basic maintenance and upkeep or breakdowns. It is there in the case of an accident involving circumstances that impair the vehicle. Other things are covered under your policy as well.

People compare this plan like the government mandating auto insurance. However they are not comparing the same things. The government only mandates that if you choose to use the privilege of operating a vehicle on public roads you must have a license to do so, and carry insurance. If you do not drive on public roads, you DO NOT need to carry auto insurance. You can still drive a vehicle on your own land without insurance. Obama’s plan forces EVERYONE to either obtain private insurance (which will still be restricted to only purchase in your own state, and even more regulation on what can and cannot be covered, etc.) or use the public-funded clinics. This itself forces people to purchase something they might not under normal circumstances, and pay for coverage of something they will never experience in their lifetime (men can't get ovarian cancer, yet they are forced to pay the coverage increase because the Gov't says it must be covered, etc). Insurance is not required to live a normal life and go about daily activities.

[BoogyMan]

I disagree that it is such, BM. President Obama gave up on a number of good ideas like a public option, Medicare nationwide, and hundreds of specifics. It is all in the public records and ready to be made more public when the time is right for it. Right now it would be correctly ignored. Other than political junkies like us the nation is just exhausted on this subject.

Psychoblues

PB, look around you, the only people happy about the healthcare law are the ideologues who see it as a stepping stone to the full socialization of healthcare in America.

Are you actually giving me a "pass it to know what is in it" kind of argument?