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    Quote Originally Posted by DragonStryk72 View Post
    Hey you remember when the PLO stepped down? Wasn't it just a few years later that HAMAS got rolling? So here's one: What happens when the new anti-Israel group shows up? How much ground are they supposed to give then? And what of the ones that follow that group?
    that's the wisdom of using 1967 as a benchmark.

    Everything that I have heard would indicate that the radical view of Hamas is on the wane. Arab spring was about democracy, NOT theocracy. Throughout the demonstrations, there were NO signs or placards denouncing Israel of The USA... that is telling.

    If Israel can work with Abbas, my guess is that Palestinians will go along with him and with an agreement that gives them a country of their own, and they'd be willing to live in peace with Israel. There are a LARGE number of palestinians living in both the west bank and Gaza who make their living crossing into Israel and working at Israeli businesses. Peace allows them to continue to provide for their families and live in their own nation.

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    Quote Originally Posted by maineman View Post
    that's the wisdom of using 1967 as a benchmark.

    Everything that I have heard would indicate that the radical view of Hamas is on the wane. Arab spring was about democracy, NOT theocracy. Throughout the demonstrations, there were NO signs or placards denouncing Israel of The USA... that is telling.

    If Israel can work with Abbas, my guess is that Palestinians will go along with him and with an agreement that gives them a country of their own, and they'd be willing to live in peace with Israel. There are a LARGE number of palestinians living in both the west bank and Gaza who make their living crossing into Israel and working at Israeli businesses. Peace allows them to continue to provide for their families and live in their own nation.
    Muslim rule IS theocracy, Double M. If you don't understand that you might get yourself a copy of the Koran and do some reading before jumping into a discussion you might just not be prepared for. Just sayin....
    "Liberals claim to want to give a hearing to other views, but then are shocked and offended to discover that there are other views." William F Buckley, Jr

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    Quote Originally Posted by BoogyMan View Post
    Muslim rule IS theocracy, Double M. If you don't understand that you might get yourself a copy of the Koran and do some reading before jumping into a discussion you might just not be prepared for. Just sayin....
    so...you are saying that muslims cannot be the majority in a secular government?

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    Quote Originally Posted by maineman View Post
    so...you are saying that muslims cannot be the majority in a secular government?
    You said they are not looking for a theocracy, a claim that shows a woeful lack of knowledge of Islam. Sure they can be a majority, but they will not stand for a non-theocratic government.
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    Quote Originally Posted by BoogyMan View Post
    You said they are not looking for a theocracy, a claim that shows a woeful lack of knowledge of Islam. Sure they can be a majority, but they will not stand for a non-theocratic government.
    there are countries in this world with a majority of muslims that are not theocracies. sorry.

    Syria. Egypt. Jordan. Iraq Bangladesh... to name a few.

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    Quote Originally Posted by maineman View Post
    there are countries in this world with a majority of muslims that are not theocracies. sorry.

    Syria. Egypt. Jordan. Iraq Bangladesh... to name a few.
    You want to tell me that those countries to even TRY to pander to the followers of Islam that they profess to represent?

    1. You need to actually learn about the religion you are trying to discuss.
    2. You need to open your freakin' eyes. Go to one of those countries and run afoul of the morality police and let me know how your "not a theocracy" argument stands.
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