Why Can't the Pro-Abortionists be Honest?

[fj1200]

I don't share your opinion that time isn't a clear line. As a matter of fact, time is one of the more precise ways to measure something.

Time is a precise way of measuring something PRECISE, not an arbitrary point in time. Precisely measuring the arbitrary is still arbitrary.

[Missileman]

Killing to save lives... it seems you're grasping.

Isn't that EXACTLY what an abortion to save the mother's life is?

[fj1200]

Isn't that EXACTLY what an abortion to save the mother's life is?

You're comparing the remote possibility of a homicidal dictator (with zero evidence by which to judge the unborn) being aborted to the heart wrenching situation (minuscule chance BTW) of choosing between the life of a mother and the life of a child and by extension arguing for the convenience of abortion? I just can't argue from that starting point.

[LuvRPgrl]

I never said it was, dipshit. I have however answered the question elsewhere in this thread..

Then why R U acting like a COWARD and won't show us the answer, I missed it if you did. I looked and couldn't find it, please show it again.

I don't share your opinion that time isn't a clear line. As a matter of fact, time is one of the more precise ways to measure something.

To measure SOME THINGS, not all. A precise point in time is. You said there is a clear demarcation point, point means a specific time, not period of time. So name it, or remain a LIAR & COWARD.

It's very easy to write a rule so that no exceptions are required.

Which DOES NOT invalidate rules with exceptions. Don't you get tired of saying dipshit things over and over, running and dodging, try answering a question you COWARD

Originally Posted by Missileman
"I've answered this question at least once in this thread.

And you've yet to answer mine."


You're a liar and stupid.
Saying "the first trimester is hardly vague" is not an answer to this question:

What occurs DURING the transistion from the first to second trimester that is a clear demarcation point?you said there are more than just conception and birth. Name one.
Saying "first trimester" is just a period of time, not any specific event. It is a long list of events that together make the first trimester.
WHAT EVENT OCCURS TO MAKE IT A HUMAN AND IS A CLEAR DEMARCATION POINT.

Saying U have already answered it is a lie. If you don't answer it, its simply proof that you spoke out of your ass and are not trying to cover your ass.

[Missileman]

You're comparing the remote possibility of a homicidal dictator (with zero evidence by which to judge the unborn) being aborted to the heart wrenching situation (minuscule chance BTW) of choosing between the life of a mother and the life of a child and by extension arguing for the convenience of abortion? I just can't argue from that starting point.

The only difference between my line and yours are numbers and motive. If you truly believe that the unborn have a right to life, then the deaths associated with your line should be as reprehensible and unacceptable to you as my line.

[J.T]

It's either murder or it's not. You might call saving the mother's life justifiable homicide

If it's justifiable homicide, it's not murder.

By definition.

Why can't you people ever be honest?

Does it really matter how few? And how would you know for certain that an abortion performed for convenience isn't saving lives...imagine if Hitler or Dahmer had been aborted, for instance.

Or Jesus

[Missileman]

If it's justifiable homicide, it's not murder.

By definition.

Why can't you people ever be honest?

As is your wont, another strawman. I didn't say justifiable homocide is murder.

[LuvRPgrl]

The only difference between my line and yours are numbers and motive. If you truly believe that the unborn have a right to life, then the deaths associated with your line should be as reprehensible and unacceptable to you as my line.

You dont have a line.Originally Posted by Missileman
"I've answered this question at least once in this thread.

And you've yet to answer mine."You're a liar and stupid.
Saying "the first trimester is hardly vague" is not an answer to this question:

What occurs DURING the transistion from the first to second trimester that is a clear demarcation point?you said there are more than just conception and birth. Name one.
Saying "first trimester" is just a period of time, not any specific event. It is a long list of events that together make the first trimester.
WHAT EVENT OCCURS TO MAKE IT A HUMAN AND IS A CLEAR DEMARCATION POINT.

Saying U have already answered it is a lie. If you don't answer it, its simply proof that you spoke out of your ass and are not trying to cover your ass.

[Kathianne]

You dont have a line.Originally Posted by Missileman
"I've answered this question at least once in this thread.

And you've yet to answer mine."You're a liar and stupid.
Saying "the first trimester is hardly vague" is not an answer to this question:

What occurs DURING the transistion from the first to second trimester that is a clear demarcation point?you said there are more than just conception and birth. Name one.
Saying "first trimester" is just a period of time, not any specific event. It is a long list of events that together make the first trimester.
WHAT EVENT OCCURS TO MAKE IT A HUMAN AND IS A CLEAR DEMARCATION POINT.

Saying U have already answered it is a lie. If you don't answer it, its simply proof that you spoke out of your ass and are not trying to cover your ass.

I'm not sure of the whole thread, but I do know the MM has used the quote feature throughout and for some reason Luvrp chose to disregard it in midst of debate.

May or may not mean anything. Though it was he throwing around 'coward' and such in red color because it was so important to point out.

[J.T]

As is your wont, another strawman. I didn't say justifiable homocide is murder.

[QUOTE=Missileman;474802]It's either murder or it's not. You might call saving the mother's life justifiable homicide although the unborn hasn't really committed an offense that justifies it, or you might call it self defense. But the rape/incest abortions that you'd allow with your line would be murder just as much as an abortion for convenience/QUOTE]

[Missileman]

[QUOTE=J.T;475008]

It's either murder or it's not. You might call saving the mother's life justifiable homicide although the unborn hasn't really committed an offense that justifies it, or you might call it self defense. But the rape/incest abortions that you'd allow with your line would be murder just as much as an abortion for convenience/QUOTE]

That's right dickhead...go back to school and learn English. I clearly made the distinction between murder in the last sentence and justifiable homicide in the 2nd. You removed the last line and changed the context of what I wrote.

[J.T]

I clearly made the distinction between murder in the last sentence and justifiable homicide in the 2nd

It's either murder or it's not. You might call saving the mother's life justifiable homicide although the unborn hasn't really committed an offense that justifies it, or you might call it self defense. But the rape/incest abortions that you'd allow with your line would be murder just as much as an abortion for convenience

Make up your mind.

Answer the question.

Why can't you people ever be honest?

[fj1200]

The only difference between my line and yours are numbers and motive. If you truly believe that the unborn have a right to life, then the deaths associated with your line should be as reprehensible and unacceptable to you as my line.

Numbers and motive? If that's what you need to tell yourself. The unborn have a right to life, that is the starting point; you're starting point is that they do NOT. So which is the better moral starting point?

[logroller]

Numbers and motive? If that's what you need to tell yourself. The unborn have a right to life, that is the starting point; you're starting point is that they do NOT. So which is the better moral starting point?

Though I applaud your retort, I see the starting point as vague. Merely "unborn" seems too broad a qualification. Not to belabor a hyperbolic point, but there are instances of deformities in utero, determined by modern med tech like amino and sonar, which may not naturally miscarry but carry with them little, if any, chance of survival. I'm not suggesting abortion is the answer, but having never experienced such a situation, I've thus not had an instance of consideration, and I feel its naive for me to say it should be criminal to pursue such an alternative.

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