Why Can't the Pro-Abortionists be Honest?

[revelarts]

This is a practice that should be illegal. Gender is not a birth defect. Further, all of these abortions are taking place well after the first trimester.

So your for abortion only in the 1st trimester.
all others should be outlawed?

[NightTrain]

As for choice, we do know that during abortions, the child fights to stay alive, only beings wanting to choose life will do that.

The bolded section is one of the saddest, most upsetting statements ever made. And one that everyone needs to see.

Absolutely, Abbey.

It is truly horrifying.

[Missileman]

So your for abortion only in the 1st trimester.
all others should be outlawed?

With exceptions for life of the mother and catastrophic defect, yes.

[J.T]

WHEN does it become an INDIVIDUAL living human organism?

At the very moment it comes into existence.

This is basic biology. At creation, the organism is an individual living human organism.

Sometimes it splits into multiple systems, which then go on to develop into two distinct organisms (identical twins).

I don't see why they have difficulty grasping this stuff, unless it is in fact a matter of faith for them.

This is a practice that should be illegal.

Why?

Gender is not a birth defect.

And?

Further, all of these abortions are taking place well after the first trimester.

And? What changed between the night of the last day of the first trimester and the morning of the first day of the second trimester?

With exceptions for life of the mother and catastrophic defect, yes.

Why?

[LuvRPgrl]

But I did answer the question of how I arrived at the first trimester restriction. You chose to ignore my answer..

Ignore,? How the hell can I ignore something I havent seen?
AGAIIN, tell me the post number so I can read it,

I also said there are clear lines between conception and birth.

Yea, so name a few and what supports your opinion.

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for example, the start of the fetal heartbeat. You chose to pretend that because I didn't enumerate all of those lines that they don't exist..

Pretend? Ha, if you dont enumerate any of them, what else can we do. And its not just me, others have asked you.

Further, you then asked me to provide an event that marks the end of the first and beginning of the second trimester. Having never made a claim that such an event exists, I chose to ignore the question. .

Oh, I see, for you its ignore, for me its pretend.
YOU???? IGNORE A QUESTION???? Ha, its a cold day in hell folks.
If you ignore it, as you now admit, its cuz there isn't one.
First U say there is a clear line of demarcation at the end of the first trimester, now you say there isn't, which is it? Semantics will get you nothing but negative points.




I find it remarkable that you piss and moan about unanswered questions while continually avoiding answering mine.[/QUOTE]

I never saw anything about a ;heartbeat in any of your posts, care to share that with us? Where is that post?

I'm not gonna fall for your word games. I asked you a question, you don't answer a question with a question. You AVOID a question with a question.

But I did answer the question of how I arrived at the first trimester restriction. ...
... Further, you then asked me to provide an event that marks the end of the first and beginning of the second trimester. Having never made a claim that such an event exists, I chose to ignore the question.

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Hmmmmmmm

The bolded section is one of the saddest, most upsetting statements ever made. And one that everyone needs to see.

Even as a single cell, EVERYTHING about it screams, I want to LIVE !!!!!

[logroller]

No, sorry, that is wrong. The natural state is one of total liberty and freedom of choice. Civilization is founded on the restriction of certain liberties (such as the liberty to rape logroller's mother, beat logroller with a rock, and steal logroller's property) in accordance with the social contract and the infliction of the weak's will upon the strong (an inversion of the natural state).

The rest of your post is basically a pseudo-eugenic argument put forth by Planned Parenthood this whole time: Negroes are stupid and can be manipulated into making themselves extinct.

Our country was found on personal liberty, not dogmatic oppression. You may CHOOSE not see that way, as demonstrated by your hyperbole-- but bring that shit my way and I'll show you sam colt's contribution to personal liberty and eugenics.

Yep, over 230 posts, yet they never answered the question.
All they could come up with was "its already been answered", they wouldnt even give us a post # to find the answer, because it doesn't exist, because there is no answer.
The deafening is in regards to hearing the answer and the lack of posts the last few days

So far as "answering the question", its loaded, perhaps you should rephrase-- as being pro-choice doesn't mean pro-abortion.

Free choice for humans, all humans? Then the unborn child should have a choice. That again takes us to the question, WHEN does it become an INDIVIDUAL living human organism?

Ok Mr. Extreme. We should pull that child out at 12 weeks and ask them if they want to live or not--let em choose.Right?

As for choice, we do know that during abortions, the child fights to stay alive, only beings wanting to choose life will do that.

We? Have you had or been witness to an abortion? I haven't, I don't know that. I do know that my son turned blue an hour after birth-- the scariest moment in my life. I guess he was "fighting to stay alive", poorly; but I don't think that was a choice. He didn't ask to be intibated(sp).

At the very moment it comes into existence.

This is basic biology. At creation, the organism is an individual living human organism.

Sometimes it splits into multiple systems, which then go on to develop into two distinct organisms (identical twins).

I don't see why they have difficulty grasping this stuff, unless it is in fact a matter of faith for them.

What about a test tube conception; does it have a right to life?

[Missileman]

First U say there is a clear line of demarcation at the end of the first trimester, now you say there isn't, which is it?

Quote it...I NEVER said any such thing.

[PostmodernProphet]

But I did answer the question of how I arrived at the first trimester restriction.

which post?.....

[revelarts]

(1st Trimester) With exceptions for life of the mother and catastrophic defect, yes.

Well JT's question Why does apply.
Seeing the day after 1st Trimester seems a bit arbitrary.
And the fact is that many women don't even know by then.

But Abortion Docs and Planned Parenthood don't share your line in the sand.

What about a test tube conception; does it have a right to life?

I know this wasn't directed at me but,

Frankly Yes, yes it does.
Test tube conceptions whole purpose is to bring forth a human being.
the fact that it does it and discards many living humans as a by product of the process is a silent horror.

[J.T]

Since marry never consented and was never given a choice... Jesus was a rape baby...

did he have a right to his existence?

[Missileman]

Well JT's question Why does apply.

Restricted abortion is better than unrestricted abortion. A policy of "no abortions ever" is unrealistic, invasive, unenforceable, and places women's health at risk.

[J.T]

Restricted abortion is better than unrestricted abortion. A policy of "no abortions ever" is unrealistic, invasive, unenforceable, and places women's health at risk.

Quit evading the question, coward.

What changes? Why is it okay to kill your baby in cold blood one day and not the next?

[revelarts]

Since marry never consented and was never given a choice... Jesus was a rape baby...

did he have a right to his existence?

Ummm have you been reading the Mormon Bible or something?

Or maybe Alister Crowley's friends.


I'm guessing that your not a lapsed roman Chatholic becuase they quote Mary directly from the Bible.

the angel appears, makes the announcement of a Miracle birth, Mary says "Behold the handmaid of the Lord; be it unto me according to thy word." And it's a miracle conception completely non sexual- When Jesus turned 5 fish into hundreds did he force fertilize the 5 to create more. Did he use a defibrillator on Lazarus to raise him from the dead. Why are you putting natural limitation on Supernatu...

OHhhh Wait... ARE You deliberately being Provocative? Hmm Ohh , Ho Ho your a Pistol JT. , ho ho ho ho.

You might burn in hell for it but... ho ho ho
just kidding.

God has saved worse than you.

[fj1200]

Restricted abortion is better than unrestricted abortion. A policy of "no abortions ever" is unrealistic, invasive, unenforceable, and places women's health at risk.

The very act of an abortion places the mother's health at risk, now and in the future. I recall sending Psychoblues a link awhile back.

[logroller]

I know this wasn't directed at me but,

Frankly Yes, yes it does.
Test tube conceptions whole purpose is to bring forth a human being.
the fact that it does it and discards many living humans as a by product of the process is a silent horror.

This isn't a one-on-one debate-- your comments are welcome.

This invites a whole plethora of additional issues. I'm inclined to agree with you Rev, I think it is the same thing. But at the same time, who's responsibility is it: the lab assistant, the doctor, the genetic parents, the invitro parents(if diff than genetic), society, govt?