Are We Alone In the Universe? New Analysis Says Maybe

[soupnazi630]

????.....uh, no......the fact that conditions on those planets ARE slightly different means they can't support life......no two planets in any solar system can be in that position where conditions aren't "slightly different" unless they chance to be in a completely synchronous bi-polar orbit......an unlikely rarity......

beyond that rarity, in any given solar system it may happen that ONE planet is in that unique position that life can be supported......or it may happen that none are.....

.................uh no .........................

Slightly different conditions does not mean a planet is incapable of supporting life.

Once again you ignore fact that Jupiter and Europa are prime candidates for life despite vastly different conditions than here on Earth. We know that conditions on those two worlds can probably allow some form of life to exist we just cannot get close enough to prove or disprove whether such life exists there yet.

If one considers the vast difference in the circumference in the orbits of Earth and Jupiter one realizes that a very large window exists around every star where one or more planets capable of supporting life can orbit. It is not merely a set distance from the host star which makes life possible. One also has to consider the size and relative temperature of said star combined with the size and mass of the planet in questions and it's chemistry. This therefore means many such planets can orbit the same star. The capability to support life dependent only on the chemistry of each of those planets.

In addition it is only some of the internal characteristics of Mars which makes it incapable of supporting life such as the lack of a magnetic field and an improperly balanced atmosphere. Those conditions are not exclusively rooted in the distance of Mars from the sun which means in other star systems a planet at such a distance from it's host star can support life if said conditions on and within that planet differ slightly. We already have confirmed from viewing other planets in other star systems that the the size of a planet is not conditional on it's distance from it's host star and therefore conditions can vary widely.

Any star in the 400 billion or so making up the milky way can feasibly and logically be the center of a system which includes multiple planets and planetary satellites capable of supporting life making the total possible number of such planets hundreds of billions.

[Gunny]

We have explored space and not any violence has been thought of, or aggressive actions. Once a society attaina a level of intelligence to bridge solar systems, you would think they would be smart enough to not prefer violence.
Plus, if they did reach us, it could be that it is particularly difficult and expensive, so using us as a colony wouldnt be productive for them.
And even if they did come to conquer, yea, they might have superior technology, but their numbers would be limited and probably not that many of them.

You mean like when Europeans bridged the Atlantic?

Your last two sentences both make assumptions based on our own limitations.

[LuvRPgrl]

You mean like when Europeans bridged the Atlantic?

Your last two sentences both make assumptions based on our own limitations.

If beings on another planet had wooden ships as their most advanced transportation, then at that stage I would consider them violent. If, however, they attained higher technology like the USA, (which is NOT a country that abuses it power), I would expect them to be peaceful.

The difference is, once technology reaches a certain point, real scientists have to be involved, and real scientists are almost always "peaceful"

[Missileman]

If beings on another planet had wooden ships as their most advanced transportation, then at that stage I would consider them violent. If, however, they attained higher technology like the USA, (which is NOT a country that abuses it power), I would expect them to be peaceful.

The difference is, once technology reaches a certain point, real scientists have to be involved, and real scientists are almost always "peaceful"

You've seen about three too many episodes of Star Trek.


Psst...btw, Star Trek is science fiction.

[soupnazi630]

If beings on another planet had wooden ships as their most advanced transportation, then at that stage I would consider them violent. If, however, they attained higher technology like the USA, (which is NOT a country that abuses it power), I would expect them to be peaceful.

The difference is, once technology reaches a certain point, real scientists have to be involved, and real scientists are almost always "peaceful"

You mean like the nazis?

Or like those geniuses and real scientists on the Manhattan project?

Our own history shows higher technology and " real scientists " does not mean more peaceful or benign intentions and real scientists and be just as hawkish or war like as anyone else.

Besides any Et species would be definition be different from us.

They may have different concepts of morality and right vs wrong. They may even have emotions we cannot comprehend.

The chances of any extra terrestrial intelligent species being hostile is 50/50

[Gunny]

If beings on another planet had wooden ships as their most advanced transportation, then at that stage I would consider them violent. If, however, they attained higher technology like the USA, (which is NOT a country that abuses it power), I would expect them to be peaceful.

The difference is, once technology reaches a certain point, real scientists have to be involved, and real scientists are almost always "peaceful"

You are STILL limiting your thinking to Man's technology. Human science is limited to man's intellect, as well as its scientists. The discussion is abstract and the possibilities limitless.

You mean like the nazis?

Or like those geniuses and real scientists on the Manhattan project?

Our own history shows higher technology and " real scientists " does not mean more peaceful or benign intentions and real scientists and be just as hawkish or war like as anyone else.

Besides any Et species would be definition be different from us.

They may have different concepts of morality and right vs wrong. They may even have emotions we cannot comprehend.

The chances of any extra terrestrial intelligent species being hostile is 50/50

Not to mention the near genocide of Native Americans when Europeans reached America and found an ethnicity different and not as technologically advanced as their own.

And yeah, the proverbial last words before the abomination begins is: " What's sacrificing a few lives when we might could possibly save millions?" We DID attain a LOT of useful medical data from Nazi experimentation. One just has to ask oneself if the price of one's soul is worth committing the atrocities the Nazi's did.

[LuvRPgrl]

You've seen about three too many episodes of Star Trek.


Psst...btw, Star Trek is science fiction.

I got a feeling you dont like me. Of course that happens alot when I kick someones ass (figuratively of course)

[fj1200]

Are we alone in the universe? Contact, starring Jodie Foster, says No.

There you have it.

[Missileman]

I got a feeling you dont like me. Of course that happens alot when I kick someones ass (figuratively of course)

I don't dislike you, I just have a hard time staying quiet when I read some of the ridiculous posts that issue from your keyboard. As for ass-kicking, I'd say you've see a few too many episodes of OCA. (Literally, of course)

[LuvRPgrl]

Not to mention the near genocide of Native Americans when Europeans reached America and found an ethnicity different and not as technologically advanced as their own.

And yeah, the proverbial last words before the abomination begins is: " What's sacrificing a few lives when we might could possibly save millions?" We DID attain a LOT of useful medical data from Nazi experimentation. One just has to ask oneself if the price of one's soul is worth committing the atrocities the Nazi's did.

Native Americans, irrelevant.
Proverbial last words, again irrelevant.

As for the Nazi's, I did say most scientists, not all. I could name thousands of scientists in the 40's who were not violent.

I don't dislike you, I just have a hard time staying quiet when I read some of the ridiculous posts that issue from your keyboard. As for ass-kicking, I'd say you've see a few too many episodes of OCA. (Literally, of course)

Well, they might seem ridiculous to you, but most others actually usually agree with me, plus, your arguements fold under extreme pressure, like plants dont use minerals to grow.

[soupnazi630]

Native Americans, irrelevant.
Proverbial last words, again irrelevant.

As for the Nazi's, I did say most scientists, not all. I could name thousands of scientists in the 40's who were not violent.

Not personally violent perhaps but lost helped build military machines which are quite violent.

History simply proves you wrong and applying human history lessons to another species is silly.

Well, they might seem ridiculous to you, but most others actually usually agree with me, plus, your arguements fold under extreme pressure, like plants dont use minerals to grow.

Actually most others do not agree with you. Even the most brilliant minds such as Hawking disagree.

The arguments have not folded at all and stand unchallenged by you.

[ConHog]

I believe there are other life forms out there. How arrogant of us to believe that we are it. I also believe that they are so far away that it is unlikely that we will ever encounter them. I happen to believe it was planned that way.

Well, there is of course an exception, SOME aliens are already here. We just happen to know them as women.

[LuvRPgrl]

Actually most others do not agree with you. Even the most brilliant minds such as Hawking disagree.

The arguments have not folded at all and stand unchallenged by you.

This goes far beyond this thread

Not personally violent perhaps but lost helped build military machines which are quite violent.

History simply proves you wrong and applying human history lessons to another species is silly.

HISTORY? OK, tell me the history of any countries that have traveled to another moon or planet that is a militaristic aggresor, enslaving and killing people who had done no harm to them.

[soupnazi630]

This goes far beyond this thread

Yes and most still do not agree with you

HISTORY? OK, tell me the history of any countries that have traveled to another moon or planet that is a militaristic aggresor, enslaving and killing people who had done no harm to them.

Ok the United states went to the moon.

The United states practiced massive slavery against people who had done no harm to us.

We also wiped out tens of thousands ( at a minimum ) of Native Americans.

We launched a pre-emptive war against Iraq and also waged war in Somalia and Bosnia where no one had done any harm to us.

Even during the moon landings we were at war in Vietnam and while personally I think that war was a just cause the fact is the enemy had done no harm to us

There is no evidence that advanced technology and brilliant scientific genius means benign, peaceful intent.

And of course you keep ignoring that ET's would by definition be radically different from us in every respect to include psychologically and emotionally. Destroying an indigenous species could be quite AMORAL and not the least bit aggressive to them.

[PostmodernProphet]

Well, there is of course an exception, SOME aliens are already here. We just happen to know them as women.

I have it on good authority they are from Venus......