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[retiredman]

you need to ask yourself what they would do if you were in their country spreading christianity and or secularisim and respond in kind

unfortunately for them, they do not live in the land of the free and the home of the brave, do they?

This discussion has never been about whether or not it is a good idea to keep tabs on islamic extremists...of course it is. This discussion has been about considering ALL muslims, even those who are native born Americans, as enemies worthy of surveillance and distrust.

I most DEFINITELY would NEVER advocate "responding in kind" to the actions of barbarians and despots.

[Roomy]

unfortunately for them, they do not live in the land of the free and the home of the brave, do they?

This discussion has never been about whether or not it is a good idea to keep tabs on islamic extremists...of course it is. This discussion has been about considering ALL muslims, even those who are native born Americans, as enemies worthy of surveillance and distrust.

I most DEFINITELY would NEVER advocate "responding in kind" to the actions of barbarians and despots.

You said you would kill the president and take up arms against those that disagree with you.

[retiredman]

You said you would kill the president and take up arms against those that disagree with you.

that's an incorrect paraphase, to say the least....

[MtnBiker]

so is six any more or less believable that two? and in the context of this discussion...is the establishment of simultaneous surveillance of TWO million people really feasible where SIX is not?

Pointing out the misrepresentation of a group of people by a likely 200 percent is important in any context.

[avatar4321]

unfortunately for them, they do not live in the land of the free and the home of the brave, do they?

This discussion has never been about whether or not it is a good idea to keep tabs on islamic extremists...of course it is. This discussion has been about considering ALL muslims, even those who are native born Americans, as enemies worthy of surveillance and distrust.

I most DEFINITELY would NEVER advocate "responding in kind" to the actions of barbarians and despots.

How do you tell the extremists from the non-extremists if you dont look into everyone? And why do you conclude simply because you were born here, you will be loyal?

[Grumplestillskin]

You said you would kill the president and take up arms against those that disagree with you.

I don't see it that way. I see him saying he'd do what Washington et al did to your/our Limey forebears in 1776...

[Grumplestillskin]

How do you tell the extremists from the non-extremists if you dont look into everyone? And why do you conclude simply because you were born here, you will be loyal?

The whole point of a terrorist act is to spread terror. Timothy McVeigh was a soldier. A good one, too apparently. How loyal was he? You want to put every disaffected white male under surveillance? Good luck to you...

[retiredman]

How do you tell the extremists from the non-extremists if you dont look into everyone? And why do you conclude simply because you were born here, you will be loyal?

how exactly do you plan on looking at every single muslim in America? And why should we conclude, that ANYONE will be loyal? WHy are native born muslims any more likely to be disloyal than any other native born citizen? why not advocate putting us ALL under surveillance.... why not make it so Big Brother can watch ALL of us ALL the time? Wouldn't that be just American as apple pie? We could have cameras in every house and every bedroom...then,. not only could Big Brother figure out if any of us were being disloyal, they could also weed out the homos and deviants at the same time. Damn! Just the thought of it makes me wanna stand up and salute!

[Gunny]

Look.... I have no problem with using whatever domestic surveillance and intelligence gathering and infiltration methods we use to find any other group of criminals to be used to find extremist muslims. You are the one who said that we should place ALL (your word, not mine) muslims under surveillance. If that was just hyperbolic rhetoric, fine....just say so. Simply put...either stand by your words or retract them. Until then, I will continue to take your unretracted words at face value and repeat that placing every single muslim in America under surveillance is not only an idiotic thing to do, it is an unAmerican thing to do.

In other words, you are going to continue your dishonest literalist argument because you're a nimrod who comprehends nothing but what he wants to.

I'm not retracting shit. Surveillance is an option. I'd damned sure support watching every move made by you and others of your ilk.

[retiredman]

you are the one who said we should watch ALL muslims...

I am on record as thinking that idea is loony and unAmerican.

so either defend it or retract it... or slink away. Your choice.

[retiredman]

In other words, you are going to continue your dishonest literalist argument because you're a nimrod who comprehends nothing but what he wants to.

I'm not retracting shit. Surveillance is an option. I'd damned sure support watching every move made by you and others of your ilk.

why not watch every american? then you could be sure that we saw all the unAmerican activities. Why not advocate putting little cameras in every room of every home and every office in America? If you aren't doing anything unAmerican, you certainly have nothing to hide....that is unless you are worried that your fetish for wearing women's underwear to sleep at night might be considered unAmerican by Big Brother, of course. But look at the upside...if we actually watched EVERY American in every room of their homes and places of work, we could be SURE that not only would we catch any potential terrorists, but that we would also identify all those homos or adulterers or anyone else that wasn't living life the way we wanted them to. Wouldn't that just be the American dream for sicko fascists like you?

[Roomy]

why not watch every american? then you could be sure that we saw all the unAmerican activities. Why not advocate putting little cameras in every room of every home and every office in America? If you aren't doing anything unAmerican, you certainly have nothing to hide....that is unless you are worried that your fetish for wearing women's underwear to sleep at night might be considered unAmerican by Big Brother, of course. But look at the upside...if we actually watched EVERY American in every room of their homes and places of work, we could be SURE that not only would we catch any potential terrorists, but that we would also identify all those homos or adulterers or anyone else that wasn't living life the way we wanted them to. Wouldn't that just be the American dream for sicko fascists like you?

Are you also homophobic?Are you the last bastion of moral America?

[retiredman]

Are you also homophobic?Are you the last bastion of moral America?

neither

[avatar4321]

The whole point of a terrorist act is to spread terror. Timothy McVeigh was a soldier. A good one, too apparently. How loyal was he? You want to put every disaffected white male under surveillance? Good luck to you...

thanks for making my point. simply because you were born here doesn't imply you are going to be loyal.

[avatar4321]

how exactly do you plan on looking at every single muslim in America? And why should we conclude, that ANYONE will be loyal? WHy are native born muslims any more likely to be disloyal than any other native born citizen? why not advocate putting us ALL under surveillance.... why not make it so Big Brother can watch ALL of us ALL the time? Wouldn't that be just American as apple pie? We could have cameras in every house and every bedroom...then,. not only could Big Brother figure out if any of us were being disloyal, they could also weed out the homos and deviants at the same time. Damn! Just the thought of it makes me wanna stand up and salute!

Because they adhere to a doctrine that is frequently used to justify war against us. If Christians had some sort of doctrine that could be used to justify war against us, id probably feel the same thing for them.

As for how to do it, its not that complicated. Set up a system that looks at more than just ones religion as a factor. You know, profile. That way you can focus on those who are more likely to be a threat and eliminate the ones that are less likely to be. Then you dont have nearly the same number of people and can keep track of them alot easier.

Of course, even then there is flawless, but its better than saying we cant look at anyone. Thats just stupid.