Why Muslims are still mad at America - By Steven Kull

[dadman]

Islamic body count: 2011.09.01 ~ 2011.09.06

2011.09.06 Iraq Anbar 9 0 Terrorists machine-gun a bus carrying Iraqi soldiers at point-blank range, killing all eight passengers and their driver.
2011.09.06 Thailand Narathiwat 2 5 A 9-year-old boy is among the victims of two attacks by Muslim gunmen, one at a teahouse.
2011.09.06 Yemen Abyan 5 3 An al-Qaeda attack leaves five local soldiers dead.
2011.09.06 Nigeria Kuru 14 13 Fourteen residents of a Christian village are hacked and shot to death in an orgy of Islamic violence that lasts an hour.
2011.09.06 Nigeria Zakaleo 4 0 Four Christians are burned alive when militant Muslims set fire to their house.
2011.09.06 Afghanistan Kabul 1 0 The Taliban are suspected of killing a U.S. citizen.
2011.09.06 Thailand Yala 1 0 Islamists kill a 38-year-old Buddhist teacher, then set his body on fire.
2011.09.05 Pakistan Faisalabad 1 0 Islamic seminary students shoot an innocent member of the Ahmadi sect to death.
2011.09.05 Thailand Pattani 2 1 Muslim prisoners target and murder two Buddhist inmates.
2011.09.05 Nigeria Tatu 8 0 A Christian family of eight including the parents and six children are hacked to death by Muslim militants in their home.
2011.09.05 Iraq Kirkuk 2 0 Jihadis shoot a skilled neurologist to death along with his brother.
2011.09.05 Afghanistan Parwan 2 0 The bodies of two German hikers are found three weeks after they were abducted and shot to death.
2011.09.05 Afghanistan Qaisar 5 0 Sunni militants take out five civilians with a well-placed roadside bomb.
2011.09.05 Nigeria Dabwak 4 0 An elderly Christian couple and their two grandchildren are shot to death in their home by Muslim raiders.
2011.09.05 Pakistan Humrang Beebak 2 0 Two brothers are abducted and murdered by Islamic terrorists.
2011.09.04 Iran Ahvaz 3 0 Three people are hung for 'forbidden acts against religion'.
2011.09.04 Nigeria Zannari 1 0 Boko Haram Islamists assassinate a local scholar.
2011.09.04 Pakistan Godhra 5 7 Five people are killed when two rival Islamic groups work out their differences.
2011.09.04 Pakistan Mariamabad 1 0 A Catholic pilgrim is kidnapped and murdered while walking to a shrine.
2011.09.04 Afghanistan Kandahar 3 21 A Holy Warrior detonates in the prayer area of a security office, killing three others.
2011.09.04 Iraq Mosul 1 1 A man is shot to death in his home by Mujahideen.
2011.09.03 Yemen Aden 3 7 A Shahid suicide bomber kills three local cops.
2011.09.03 Kenya Madera 1 3 Somali Islamists are suspected of a bomb attack that leaves a Kenyan dead.
2011.09.02 Somalia Hudur 1 0 A convert to Christianity is kidnapped and beheaded by Muslim activists.
2011.09.02 Iraq Baghdad 1 0 A government official is assassinated by Islamic terrorists.
2011.09.02 Ingushetia Nesterovskaya 1 0 A local religious figure is shot to death by suspected Muslim militants.
2011.09.01 Pakistan Kurram 7 1 Seven Shias riding a minibus are machine-gunned to death by Sunni rivals.
2011.09.01 Dagestan Khasavyurt 1 3 Women are among the casualties of an Islamist car bombing.
2011.09.01 Pakistan Lakki Marwat 5 35 Five civilians are crushed under collapsing buildings during by a Fedayeen suicide car bombing.

Islamic body count: 2011.09.07 ~ 2011.09.17
Islamic body count: 2011.09.01 ~ 2011.09.06

I think I know why Muslims are so angry . . . It's because Arab/Muslims don't have enough territory ??

[DragonStryk72]

I concede that we have meddled where we shouldn't have; but NOTHING justifies the way that they have reacted. They act the way people acted in the middle ages, the problem is the entire rest of the world has evolved past that point. The Muslims need to join us.

Yes, the terrorists have reacted horribly, and did abominable things. But in many cases we created these monsters, and yeah, we hate terrorists, but think about this: They don't live here with us. We helped create the problem, which is in these peoples' backyards everyday. They're pissed at us because they have to deal with these asshole all the time, and many times, they are in the seats of power over them. I think they have a right to be pretty pissed off in general.

But like I said, it's not entirely on us. They allowed these blood feuds to exist for centuries, and that has weakened them due the fractious nature of the muslim factions. If the people who are all around sick of the bloodshed would step up, I think we'd see some amazing changes, but that won't happen as long as the US keeps jumping in over there.

[ConHog]

Yes, the terrorists have reacted horribly, and did abominable things. But in many cases we created these monsters, and yeah, we hate terrorists, but think about this: They don't live here with us. We helped create the problem, which is in these peoples' backyards everyday. They're pissed at us because they have to deal with these asshole all the time, and many times, they are in the seats of power over them. I think they have a right to be pretty pissed off in general.

But like I said, it's not entirely on us. They allowed these blood feuds to exist for centuries, and that has weakened them due the fractious nature of the muslim factions. If the people who are all around sick of the bloodshed would step up, I think we'd see some amazing changes, but that won't happen as long as the US keeps jumping in over there.

It won't happen as long as Islam is allowed to keep their people stupid to the realities of the world.

[dadman]

I suppose on a smaller scale ..
if your family member's home across town is being besieged and invaded by thugs and gang members ..
you would just turn your back and walk away ?? . . . sorry .. but Islam does not own the middle east ..
and Israel is to be recognized as the Jewish state . . . America will stand by and defend our immediate family member

red states rule: "How did the Muslim adulteress cross the road? . . . She was dragged by her feet, kicking and screaming,
then she was stoned to death by a baying lynch-mob of brainwashed psychopaths in the name of Allah" . . . . link

[dadman]

you Muslims on this forum would be much more 'prolific' attempting to 'change the 'wrong ideas" of your Jihadic 'brethren' ..
instead of wasting your time proclaiming to us ( who are free ) just how 'wonderful' this "loving/tolerant" Islam is . . .
If anyone wants to understand Islam . . . just see Saudi Arabia / Iran / Gaza / Syria etc. etc. where Islam is in full bloom

[DragonStryk72]

It won't happen as long as Islam is allowed to keep their people stupid to the realities of the world.

Patently false, or else the United States would simply not exist. Bad regime are only overthrown when the god-given right to be free overcomes the fear of repercussions. We didn't rebel against England because we were content, we rebelled because our discontent had grown to where we could no longer stay silent on it. Us stepping in retards this progress left and right, by taking away the peoples' need to stand up for themselves.

[Kathianne]

Patently false, or else the United States would simply not exist. Bad regime are only overthrown when the god-given right to be free overcomes the fear of repercussions. We didn't rebel against England because we were content, we rebelled because our discontent had grown to where we could no longer stay silent on it. Us stepping in retards this progress left and right, by taking away the peoples' need to stand up for themselves.

It took over a decade for the people to become enraged enough to rebel. The Civil War on the other hand, took more than 100 years to come to fruition.

[ConHog]

Patently false, or else the United States would simply not exist. Bad regime are only overthrown when the god-given right to be free overcomes the fear of repercussions. We didn't rebel against England because we were content, we rebelled because our discontent had grown to where we could no longer stay silent on it. Us stepping in retards this progress left and right, by taking away the peoples' need to stand up for themselves.

They don't want freedom . That's where the disconnect is. We think that people in the ME want to be like us. They don't . They don't recognize democracy and don't how to use it when given to them.

We do need to get out of the ME though. Let Israel do whatever she needs to protect herself.

[DragonStryk72]

It took over a decade for the people to become enraged enough to rebel. The Civil War on the other hand, took more than 100 years to come to fruition.

Exactly. when people are ready to become more free, they will do it, either by going to where greater freedom exists, or by fighting to create it where they are at. We knew we couldn't depend on any great power to step in on our behalf, and even France didn't really help us until were already starting to pull ahead of the English forces. If you just hand freedom to people, they will not value. Freedom has to be earned.

[DragonStryk72]

They don't want freedom . That's where the disconnect is. We think that people in the ME want to be like us. They don't . They don't recognize democracy and don't how to use it when given to them.

We do need to get out of the ME though. Let Israel do whatever she needs to protect herself.

That's because they're not all "they". Some of the people do want freedom, not necessarily the democracy we have, but then, that's their caveat. When they're ready, they'll go for it. This is the problem in the dialogue is that people treat every Muslim as though they're in lockstep with one another. The very fact that their are feuds between the factions within Islam is proof-positive, and they could probably solve some of them up, but we keep breaking up the fight, and they really need to be allowed to fight it out a bit.

[fj1200]

That's because they're not all "they".

And we prop up some regimes and are hostile to others, you could argue either way that it keeps the entrenched in power with little chance for those who want freedom to step up.

[Psychoblues]

They hate us for our liberties and freedoms. They prefer religious indoctrinations and the subsequent hatred that religion always propagates. History proves that out time and again for thousands of years.

Psychoblues

[dadman]

Dragonstryk72 = "Let Israel do whatever she needs to protect herself."

I think Israel has a larger backing than anyone realizes

Zechariah ( 520-470 BC ) says the following in this regards:
"I ( God ) am going to make Jerusalem a cup that sends all the surrounding peoples reeling.
Judah will be besieged as well as Jerusalem. On that day,
when all the nations of the earth are gathered against her,
I will make Jerusalem an immovable rock for all the nations.
All who try to move it will injure themselves" . . . Zechariah 12

When people start messn with the city where God has placed his name . . . . there will be trouble

[DragonStryk72]

And we prop up some regimes and are hostile to others, you could argue either way that it keeps the entrenched in power with little chance for those who want freedom to step up.

this is exactly my point. We meddle continuously, and at times undermine movements that the people want to undertake. Let's take the Gulf war, for instance, when we told the Iraqi people to rise up, that we would stand with them against Saddam. Well, they took us at our word, and did exactly that. We pulled out, and left Saddam in the seat of power we gave him in the first place. Now, why might a number of them be less than thrilled with us? But people repeatedly dismiss that they do have some legitimate grievances.

They hate us for our liberties and freedoms. They prefer religious indoctrinations and the subsequent hatred that religion always propagates. History proves that out time and again for thousands of years.

Psychoblues

Thank you, PB, for proving my point in my previous posts about exactly what you just said. You have completely dismissed absolutely any wrong doing on the part of the US, a government even you, a member of it's military, do not always agree with, or were you a big Bush supporter? You literally just parroted the man that you have repeatedly torn apart, as he was the one who coined "They hate us for our freedom" as you just used it.

Dragonstryk72 = "Let Israel do whatever she needs to protect herself."

I think Israel has a larger backing than anyone realizes

Zechariah ( 520-470 BC ) says the following in this regards:
"I ( God ) am going to make Jerusalem a cup that sends all the surrounding peoples reeling.
Judah will be besieged as well as Jerusalem. On that day,
when all the nations of the earth are gathered against her,
I will make Jerusalem an immovable rock for all the nations.
All who try to move it will injure themselves" . . . Zechariah 12

When people start messing with the city where God has placed his name . . . . there will be trouble

Um, God backed Jesus and Moses as well. That's not a guarantee, unfortunately.

[abso]

Sounds like Leviticus. Where's your tirade against Judaism and Christianity?

and before you try:
Luke 16:17
<dl compact="compact"><dd>It is easier for heaven and earth to pass, than one tittle of the law to fail.
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who said that i hold anything against judaism or christianity ???, in our holy book we are required to believe in judaism and christianity and believe in Moses and Jesus and to respect them and love them, we are not allowed to disrespect or hate judaism nor christianity at all.