WMDs and lies

[diuretic]

You're wrong ace......An unfantile attempt would be correct.....then again infant-like is also correct. Your correction was wrong...live with it.

in·fan·tile
Pronunciation: 'in-f&n-"tI(-&)l, -t&l, -"tEl, -(")til
Function: adjective
1 : of or relating to infants or infancy
2 : suitable to or characteristic of an infant; especially : very immature <infantile humor>
- in·fan·til·i·ty /"in-f&n-'ti-l&-tE/ noun

Is "unfantile" a typo or do you speak Italian? "Unfantile" isn't a word in English. Infantile is and the use of "infantile-like" as a descriptor is acceptable. You can check one of your very own wingnut sites - http://www.townhall.com/columnists/S...l_christianity

They share the same unrealistic, childish view of the world driven by an infantile-like egotism.

I'm not going to quibble but if you sent her an email and told her she was wrong she would probably be grateful for the correction.

Ace.
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[-Cp]

Why do folks attack their own country first - assuming they lied etc? Wouldn't our efforts be MUCH better focused on saying "Hell, we KNOW he had them, we sold him some back in the 70's and he used them on his own folks" - so "WHERE THE HELL DID HE SHIP THEM OFF TO or Bury them in the sand at!?!???!"

I'm still standing by my belief that he shipped them off to Syria during all those years we were dumb enough to keep warning him we were eventually going to come in and remove him...

[Lightning Waltz]

Why do folks attack their own country first - assuming they lied etc?

I think it has something to do with living in a glass house and throwing stones...

[gabosaurus]

Why do folks attack their own country first - assuming they lied etc? Wouldn't our efforts be MUCH better focused on saying "Hell, we KNOW he had them, we sold him some back in the 70's and he used them on his own folks" - so "WHERE THE HELL DID HE SHIP THEM OFF TO or Bury them in the sand at!?!???!"

It is the belief of many members of the Daddy Bush administration that pretty much all of the alleged WMDs were destroyed in the first Gulf War. This caused a strain between Daddy Bush and Shrub Bush when Shrub made the initial claims about WMDs.
No one is "attacking their own country." They are attacking the credibility of a lying President desperate to start a war.

[avatar4321]

It is the belief of many members of the Daddy Bush administration that pretty much all of the alleged WMDs were destroyed in the first Gulf War. This caused a strain between Daddy Bush and Shrub Bush when Shrub made the initial claims about WMDs.
No one is "attacking their own country." They are attacking the credibility of a lying President desperate to start a war.

Still ignoring the entire point of the thread I see...

[lily]

I remember though, the first moves of US forces in Iraq involved securing the Oil Ministry. If Bush and Cheney knew that WMD were in Iraq then why didn't they assign - through orders to the military - troops to immediately locate and secure the WMD? The briefings Powell gave were highly detailed. WMD were here, here, here, here and there and so on. But were troops assigned to locate and deal with them? Perhaps, but the Oil Ministry was numero uno on the mission objectives list.

I don't ususally like to do this, read the first page and reply without reading the rest of the posts, and I didn't peek to see if this has gone off into an insult fest or off topic, but I did want to reply to this post.

Yes the Oil Ministry was top priority on the to do list......and your buddy Chalabi was made head of the Oil Ministry.

Now, given the detailed presentation of the locations of WMD in Iraq, it shouldn't have take a month to find them anyway. Conclusion - they weren't there. They didn't exist.

That is one thing I could never figure out. They held up maps with X marks the spot, why didn't they make those spots priority? Why invade at all, if they knew where the weapons were, why not just bomb the spots?

[lily]

Well then......If they weren't there, they didn't exist...
I guess that would make of these people liars and idiots, also...


"One way or the other, we are determined to deny Iraq the capacity to develop weapons of mass destruction and the missiles to deliver them. That is our bottom line." --President Bill Clinton, Feb. 4, 1998

"If Saddam rejects peace and we have to use force, our purpose is clear. We want to seriously diminish the threat posed by Iraq's weapons of mass destruction program." --President Bill Clinton, Feb. 17, 1998

"Iraq is a long way from [here], but what happens there matters a great deal here. For the risks that the leaders of a rogue state will use nuclear, chemical or biological weapons against us or our allies is the greatest security threat we face." --Madeline Albright, Feb 18, 1998

"He will use those weapons of mass destruction again, as he has ten times since 1983." --Sandy Berger, Clinton National Security Adviser, Feb, 18, 1998

"[W]e urge you, after consulting with Congress, and consistent with the U.S. Constitution and laws, to take necessary actions (including, if appropriate, air and missile strikes on suspect Iraqi sites) to respond effectively to the threat posed by Iraq's refusal to end its weapons of mass destruction programs." Letter to President Clinton, signed by: -- Democratic Senators Carl Levin, Tom Daschle, John Kerry, and others, Oct. 9, 1998

"Saddam Hussein has been engaged in the development of weapons of mass destruction technology which is a threat to countries in the region and he has made a mockery of the weapons inspection process." -Rep. Nancy Pelosi (D, CA), Dec. 16, 1998

"Hussein has ... chosen to spend his money on building weapons of mass destruction and palaces for his cronies." -- Madeline Albright, Clinton Secretary of State, Nov. 10, 1999

"There is no doubt that ... Saddam Hussein has reinvigorated his weapons programs. Reports indicate that biological, chemical and nuclear programs continue apace and may be back to pre-Gulf War status. In addition, Saddam continues to redefine delivery systems and is doubtless using the cover of a licit missile program to develop longer-range missiles that will threaten the United States and our allies." Letter to President Bush, Signed by: -- Sen. Bob Graham (D, FL), and others, Dec 5, 2001

"We begin with the common belief that Saddam Hussein is a tyrant and a threat to the peace and stability of the region. He has ignored the mandate of the United Nations and is building weapons of mass destruction and the means of delivering them." -- Sen. Carl Levin (D, MI), Sept. 19, 2002

"We know that he has stored secret supplies of biological and chemical weapons throughout his country." -- Al Gore, Sept. 23, 2002

"Iraq's search for weapons of mass destruction has proven impossible to deter and we should assume that it will continue for as long as Saddam is in power." -- Al Gore, Sept. 23, 2002

"We have known for many years that Saddam Hussein is seeking and developing weapons of mass destruction." -- Sen. Ted Kennedy (D, MA), Sept. 27, 2002

"The last UN weapons inspectors left Iraq in October of 1998. We are confident that Saddam Hussein retains some stockpiles of chemical and biological weapons, and that he has since embarked on a crash course to build up his chemical and biological warfare capabilities. Intelligence reports indicate that he is seeking nuclear weapons..." -- Sen. Robert Byrd (D, WV), Oct. 3, 2002

"I will be voting to give the President of the United States the authority to use force -- if necessary -- to disarm Saddam Hussein because I believe that a deadly arsenal of weapons of mass destruction in his hands is a real and grave threat to our security." -- Sen. John F. Kerry (D, MA), Oct. 9, 2002

"There is unmistakable evidence that Saddam Hussein is working aggressively to develop nuclear weapons and will likely have nuclear weapons within the next five years ... We also should remember we have always underestimated the progress Saddam has made in development of weapons of mass destruction." -- Sen. Jay Rockefeller (D, WV), Oct 10, 2002

"He has systematically violated, over the course of the past 11 years, every significant UN resolution that has demanded that he disarm and destroy his chemical and biological weapons, and any nuclear capacity. This he has refused to do" -- Rep. Henry Waxman (D, CA), Oct. 10, 2002

"In the four years since the inspectors left, intelligence reports show that Saddam Hussein has worked to rebuild his chemical and biological weapons stock, his missile delivery capability, and his nuclear program. He has also given aid, comfort, and sanctuary to terrorists, including al Qaeda members ... It is clear, however, that if left unchecked, Saddam Hussein will continue to increase his capacity to wage biological and chemical warfare, and will keep trying to develop nuclear weapons." -- Sen. Hillary Clinton (D, NY), Oct 10, 2002

"We are in possession of what I think to be compelling evidence that Saddam Hussein has, and has had for a number of years, a developing capacity for the production and storage of weapons of mass destruction." -- Sen. Bob Graham (D, FL), Dec. 8, 2002

"Without question, we need to disarm Saddam Hussein. He is a brutal, murderous dictator, leading an oppressive regime ... He presents a particularly grievous threat because he is so consistently prone to miscalculation ... And now he is miscalculating America's response to his continued deceit and his consistent grasp for weapons of mass destruction ... So the threat of Saddam Hussein with weapons of mass destruction is real..." -- Sen. John F. Kerry (D, MA), Jan. 23. 2003



Anybody with half a brain knew Saddam had WMD...Take a look at the pictures of the 5000 Kurdish men, women and children he killed with them..
It has been said over and over, they we're moved before we invaded Saddam..So I'll believe them first..

You all can keep repeating over and over there weren't any, but it still won't make it come true....But we know you all will never drop that argument, because it fit's into your agenda...

Is this list on speed dial here? I must have seen the same thing 20 times in various forms of argument.

[stephanie]

Is this list on speed dial here? I must have seen the same thing 20 times in various forms of argument.

I know it must be a bitch to see what the Democrats said before President Bush came into office, and after he took the office........But..
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"One way or the other, we are determined to deny Iraq the capacity to develop weapons of mass destruction and the missiles to deliver them. That is our bottom line." --President Bill Clinton, Feb. 4, 1998

"If Saddam rejects peace and we have to use force, our purpose is clear. We want to seriously diminish the threat posed by Iraq's weapons of mass destruction program." --President Bill Clinton, Feb. 17, 1998

"Iraq is a long way from [here], but what happens there matters a great deal here. For the risks that the leaders of a rogue state will use nuclear, chemical or biological weapons against us or our allies is the greatest security threat we face." --Madeline Albright, Feb 18, 1998

"He will use those weapons of mass destruction again, as he has ten times since 1983." --Sandy Berger, Clinton National Security Adviser, Feb, 18, 1998

"[W]e urge you, after consulting with Congress, and consistent with the U.S. Constitution and laws, to take necessary actions (including, if appropriate, air and missile strikes on suspect Iraqi sites) to respond effectively to the threat posed by Iraq's refusal to end its weapons of mass destruction programs." Letter to President Clinton, signed by: -- Democratic Senators Carl Levin, Tom Daschle, John Kerry, and others, Oct. 9, 1998

"Saddam Hussein has been engaged in the development of weapons of mass destruction technology which is a threat to countries in the region and he has made a mockery of the weapons inspection process." -Rep. Nancy Pelosi (D, CA), Dec. 16, 1998

"Hussein has ... chosen to spend his money on building weapons of mass destruction and palaces for his cronies." -- Madeline Albright, Clinton Secretary of State, Nov. 10, 1999

"There is no doubt that ... Saddam Hussein has reinvigorated his weapons programs. Reports indicate that biological, chemical and nuclear programs continue apace and may be back to pre-Gulf War status. In addition, Saddam continues to redefine delivery systems and is doubtless using the cover of a licit missile program to develop longer-range missiles that will threaten the United States and our allies." Letter to President Bush, Signed by: -- Sen. Bob Graham (D, FL), and others, Dec 5, 2001

"We begin with the common belief that Saddam Hussein is a tyrant and a threat to the peace and stability of the region. He has ignored the mandate of the United Nations and is building weapons of mass destruction and the means of delivering them." -- Sen. Carl Levin (D, MI), Sept. 19, 2002

"We know that he has stored secret supplies of biological and chemical weapons throughout his country." -- Al Gore, Sept. 23, 2002

"Iraq's search for weapons of mass destruction has proven impossible to deter and we should assume that it will continue for as long as Saddam is in power." -- Al Gore, Sept. 23, 2002

"We have known for many years that Saddam Hussein is seeking and developing weapons of mass destruction." -- Sen. Ted Kennedy (D, MA), Sept. 27, 2002

"The last UN weapons inspectors left Iraq in October of 1998. We are confident that Saddam Hussein retains some stockpiles of chemical and biological weapons, and that he has since embarked on a crash course to build up his chemical and biological warfare capabilities. Intelligence reports indicate that he is seeking nuclear weapons..." -- Sen. Robert Byrd (D, WV), Oct. 3, 2002

"I will be voting to give the President of the United States the authority to use force -- if necessary -- to disarm Saddam Hussein because I believe that a deadly arsenal of weapons of mass destruction in his hands is a real and grave threat to our security." -- Sen. John F. Kerry (D, MA), Oct. 9, 2002

"There is unmistakable evidence that Saddam Hussein is working aggressively to develop nuclear weapons and will likely have nuclear weapons within the next five years ... We also should remember we have always underestimated the progress Saddam has made in development of weapons of mass destruction." -- Sen. Jay Rockefeller (D, WV), Oct 10, 2002

"He has systematically violated, over the course of the past 11 years, every significant UN resolution that has demanded that he disarm and destroy his chemical and biological weapons, and any nuclear capacity. This he has refused to do" -- Rep. Henry Waxman (D, CA), Oct. 10, 2002

"In the four years since the inspectors left, intelligence reports show that Saddam Hussein has worked to rebuild his chemical and biological weapons stock, his missile delivery capability, and his nuclear program. He has also given aid, comfort, and sanctuary to terrorists, including al Qaeda members ... It is clear, however, that if left unchecked, Saddam Hussein will continue to increase his capacity to wage biological and chemical warfare, and will keep trying to develop nuclear weapons." -- Sen. Hillary Clinton (D, NY), Oct 10, 2002

"We are in possession of what I think to be compelling evidence that Saddam Hussein has, and has had for a number of years, a developing capacity for the production and storage of weapons of mass destruction." -- Sen. Bob Graham (D, FL), Dec. 8, 2002

"Without question, we need to disarm Saddam Hussein. He is a brutal, murderous dictator, leading an oppressive regime ... He presents a particularly grievous threat because he is so consistently prone to miscalculation ... And now he is miscalculating America's response to his continued deceit and his consistent grasp for weapons of mass destruction ... So the threat of Saddam Hussein with weapons of mass destruction is real..." -- Sen. John F. Kerry (D, MA), Jan. 23. 2003
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[lily]

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Why do folks attack their own country first - assuming they lied etc?

Well, for one thing I see diuretic was the main poster here and he's not American.

I'm still standing by my belief that he shipped them off to Syria during all those years we were dumb enough to keep warning him we were eventually going to come in and remove him...

While I will agree that we gave him enough warning, I can't understand this he shipped them to Syria. First of all, there is no proof of that. Next why would he ship them to Syria and not himself? What makes you think Syria would accept all those WMDs and put itself in the same danger that Iraq was in? He knew the US was going to invade him, so instead of using all the WMD we thought he had on invading soldiers, he sent all of them to Syria? I mean that's what the whole show was about WMD, yet he just shipped them off and not use them? He's used them before, why not when he really needed them?

[lily]

I know it must be a bitch to see what the Democrats said before President Bush came into office, and after he took the office........But..

A bitch? No. Boring and overused? Definately.

[stephanie]

A bitch? No. Boring and overused? Definitely.

Oh.....I'm sure it's BORING AND OVERSUDED.........FOR YOU ALL...

It's never going away...So try and defend it???

Naaaa, just call it...Boring and overused.........

[lily]

Oh.....I'm sure it's BORING AND OVERSUDED.........FOR YOU ALL...

Hey dear, if that's all you got, then go for it. Me, I like to learn new things. That C&P is so over used it just takes up space, no one even debates it anymore.......but that's ok Stephanie I understand why you need to use it.

[stephanie]

Hey dear, if that's all you got, then go for it. Me, I like to learn new things. That C&P is so over used it just takes up space, no one even debates it anymore.......but that's ok Stephanie I understand why you need to use it.

Yeah sure.....What else ya got????
You all can pretend that your party didn't know what the Fxxk was going on,....
And, to think that you all can sit here and play like you all weren't involved in this war, when your own Democrats voted for it........Pffffeeeesssswh

Bring it on......

This really bugs you........doesn't it.......


"One way or the other, we are determined to deny Iraq the capacity to develop weapons of mass destruction and the missiles to deliver them. That is our bottom line." --President Bill Clinton, Feb. 4, 1998

"If Saddam rejects peace and we have to use force, our purpose is clear. We want to seriously diminish the threat posed by Iraq's weapons of mass destruction program." --President Bill Clinton, Feb. 17, 1998

"Iraq is a long way from [here], but what happens there matters a great deal here. For the risks that the leaders of a rogue state will use nuclear, chemical or biological weapons against us or our allies is the greatest security threat we face." --Madeline Albright, Feb 18, 1998

"He will use those weapons of mass destruction again, as he has ten times since 1983." --Sandy Berger, Clinton National Security Adviser, Feb, 18, 1998

"[W]e urge you, after consulting with Congress, and consistent with the U.S. Constitution and laws, to take necessary actions (including, if appropriate, air and missile strikes on suspect Iraqi sites) to respond effectively to the threat posed by Iraq's refusal to end its weapons of mass destruction programs." Letter to President Clinton, signed by: -- Democratic Senators Carl Levin, Tom Daschle, John Kerry, and others, Oct. 9, 1998

"Saddam Hussein has been engaged in the development of weapons of mass destruction technology which is a threat to countries in the region and he has made a mockery of the weapons inspection process." -Rep. Nancy Pelosi (D, CA), Dec. 16, 1998

"Hussein has ... chosen to spend his money on building weapons of mass destruction and palaces for his cronies." -- Madeline Albright, Clinton Secretary of State, Nov. 10, 1999

"There is no doubt that ... Saddam Hussein has reinvigorated his weapons programs. Reports indicate that biological, chemical and nuclear programs continue apace and may be back to pre-Gulf War status. In addition, Saddam continues to redefine delivery systems and is doubtless using the cover of a licit missile program to develop longer-range missiles that will threaten the United States and our allies." Letter to President Bush, Signed by: -- Sen. Bob Graham (D, FL), and others, Dec 5, 2001
"We begin with the common belief that Saddam Hussein is a tyrant and a threat to the peace and stability of the region. He has ignored the mandate of the United Nations and is building weapons of mass destruction and the means of delivering them." -- Sen. Carl Levin (D, MI), Sept. 19, 2002

"We know that he has stored secret supplies of biological and chemical weapons throughout his country." -- Al Gore, Sept. 23, 2002

"Iraq's search for weapons of mass destruction has proven impossible to deter and we should assume that it will continue for as long as Saddam is in power." -- Al Gore, Sept. 23, 2002

"We have known for many years that Saddam Hussein is seeking and developing weapons of mass destruction." -- Sen. Ted Kennedy (D, MA), Sept. 27, 2002
"The last UN weapons inspectors left Iraq in October of 1998. We are confident that Saddam Hussein retains some stockpiles of chemical and biological weapons, and that he has since embarked on a crash course to build up his chemical and biological warfare capabilities. Intelligence reports indicate that he is seeking nuclear weapons..." -- Sen. Robert Byrd (D, WV), Oct. 3, 2002 "I will be voting to give the President of the United States the authority to use force -- if necessary -- to disarm Saddam Hussein because I believe that a deadly arsenal of weapons of mass destruction in his hands is a real and grave threat to our security." -- Sen. John F. Kerry (D, MA), Oct. 9, 2002
"There is unmistakable evidence that Saddam Hussein is working aggressively to develop nuclear weapons and will likely have nuclear weapons within the next five years ... We also should remember we have always underestimated the progress Saddam has made in development of weapons of mass destruction." -- Sen. Jay Rockefeller (D, WV), Oct 10, 2002

"He has systematically violated, over the course of the past 11 years, every significant UN resolution that has demanded that he disarm and destroy his chemical and biological weapons, and any nuclear capacity. This he has refused to do" -- Rep. Henry Waxman (D, CA), Oct. 10, 2002

"In the four years since the inspectors left, intelligence reports show that Saddam Hussein has worked to rebuild his chemical and biological weapons stock, his missile delivery capability, and his nuclear program. He has also given aid, comfort, and sanctuary to terrorists, including al Qaeda members ... It is clear, however, that if left unchecked, Saddam Hussein will continue to increase his capacity to wage biological and chemical warfare, and will keep trying to develop nuclear weapons." -- Sen. Hillary Clinton (D, NY), Oct 10, 2002

"We are in possession of what I think to be compelling evidence that Saddam Hussein has, and has had for a number of years, a developing capacity for the production and storage of weapons of mass destruction." -- Sen. Bob Graham (D, FL), Dec. 8, 2002 "Without question, we need to disarm Saddam Hussein. He is a brutal, murderous dictator, leading an oppressive regime ... He presents a particularly grievous threat because he is so consistently prone to miscalculation ... And now he is miscalculating America's response to his continued deceit and his consistent grasp for weapons of mass destruction ... So the threat of Saddam Hussein with weapons of mass destruction is real..." -- Sen. John F. Kerry (D, MA), Jan. 23. 2003


Poor ole Saddam, It was Bushes only thinking.....AND.......ta da taaa.
It was only the Bush administration.......
who though about taking the Hussein OUT......
.Now.....don't FORGET THAT....
Shucks e darn.......them Democrats never though(aa sucks in breath) that Saddam was a threat)..
Oh how they wish these quotes weren't available........
as they say........on a speed dial...

[lily]

Yeah sure.....What else ya got????
You all can pretend that your party didn't know what the Fxxk was going on,....
And, to think that you all can sit here and play like you all weren't involved in this war, when your own Democrats voted for it........Pffffeeeesssswh

Can you show me some examples of who is defending the Democrats and how they voted? What most liberals realize is that the information was flawed and sorted to make the point that Bush and Cheney wanted. If you paid any attention to the news and some of the hearings you would realize this.......yes Democrats voted on and had the same information that Bush had.......because he picked and chose what he wanted them to read. You can only vote on the information you are given and Bush has shot himself in the ass, for saying that it was information from the CIA, ect. because now no one believes what he or they say.

This really bugs you........doesn't it.......

Why would it bug me? Your the one that's got nothing but the same old C&P to put up as argument. On the contrary.....makes you look sort of silly so please post it again!

[stephanie]

Can you show me some examples of who is defending the Democrats and how they voted? What most liberals realize is that the information was flawed and sorted to make the point that Bush and Cheney wanted. If you paid any attention to the news and some of the hearings you would realize this.......yes Democrats voted on and had the same information that Bush had.......because he picked and chose what he wanted them to read. You can only vote on the information you are given and Bush has shot himself in the ass, for saying that it was information from the CIA, ect. because now no one believes what he or they say.





Why would it bug me? Your the one that's got nothing but the same old C&P to put up as argument. On the contrary.....makes you look sort of silly so please post it again!

And you are??