Strip-Searched Grandma Says TSA Removed Her Underwear

[Kathianne]

That wasn't a flame, that was a substantive post. You know it, I know it, God knows it.

LOL you;ll have to flame harder than that to get my attention my dear.

[ConHog]

That wasn't a flame, that was a substantive post. You know it, I know it, God knows it.

No, it was a flame. PERIOD.

[Kathianne]

No, it was a flame. PERIOD.

Go ahead a spin a summary all you like. That isn't a flame.

[Abbey Marie]

But that's not going to stop them from using scanners and performing searches, it'll just have them perform more training and have them on their toes. But any competent company promising "security" will still lead down the same paths. They may even videotape every last second to make sure that people are treated respectfully and not abused in any manner. But that's still not going to make the masses happy that don't want any searches at all, which is not going to happen. And then there will be endless lawsuits from people who simply don't want to be screened/Xrayed/Manually.

Bottom line for me: Given the choice between boarding a plane where passengers are body-scanned or fully searched, or one where we skirt these searches because of "privacy", I'll choose to board the plane with fully-searched passengers every time.

And if I could choose to fly with an airline that profiles, I'd choose them every time too.

[ConHog]

Bottom line for me: Given the choice between boarding a plane where passengers are body-scanned or fully searched, or one where we skirt these searches because of "privacy", I'll choose to board the plane with fully-searched passengers every time.

And if I could choose to fly with an airline that profiles, I'd choose them every time too.

Some idiots would not though and that plane could then be used to destroy a building full of people. So that's a non starter IMHO.

[Abbey Marie]

Some idiots would not though and that plane could then be used to destroy a building full of people. So that's a non starter IMHO.

No argument here.

[fj1200]

Bottom line for me: Given the choice between boarding a plane where passengers are body-scanned or fully searched, or one where we skirt these searches because of "privacy", I'll choose to board the plane with fully-searched passengers every time.

And if I could choose to fly with an airline that profiles, I'd choose them every time too.

Some idiots would not though and that plane could then be used to destroy a building full of people. So that's a non starter IMHO.

It seems you two have bought it haven't you? Our safety can only be assured by government gift no matter how hamfisted it may be.

[fj1200]

But that's not going to stop them from using scanners and performing searches, it'll just have them perform more training and have them on their toes. But any competent company promising "security" will still lead down the same paths. They may even videotape every last second to make sure that people are treated respectfully and not abused in any manner. But that's still not going to make the masses happy that don't want any searches at all, which is not going to happen. And then there will be endless lawsuits from people who simply don't want to be screened/Xrayed/Manually.

Do you think society benefits from a free market and competition?

[ConHog]

It seems you two have bought it haven't you? Our safety can only be assured by government gift no matter how hamfisted it may be.

Incorrect. I happen to believe airline security can operate without being hamfisted. Certainly the TSA has problems, and just as certainly some fliers just need to shut the fuck up and stop trying to cause problems.

[fj1200]

Incorrect. I happen to believe airline security can operate without being hamfisted. Certainly the TSA has problems, and just as certainly some fliers just need to shut the fuck up and stop trying to cause problems.

Your words say otherwise.

[ConHog]

Your words say otherwise.

No they don't. Just because I think the lady in the OP is a liar, I have also clearly said that I think that there really are cases where the TSA has messed up or done things wrong.

[jimnyc]

Do you think society benefits from a free market and competition?

It doesn't matter whether it does or not - the searches will still be necessary whether a private company does them "better" or not. Most people are mad simply because they have to be searched, not at how they were searched. Yes, there are many complaints about how they were searched, and for each of those, 50 people making videos and complaining as they wait in line. But the point is, searches in general ARE going to continue, in this day and age, whether we like it or not. Some will be happy that there will be less of the intrusive searches. Some will be happy that they will be able to sue easier. And many will still bitch and moan simply because there are searches being performed.

[Gunny]

An 84-year-old New York grandmother says she was “mortified” after being strip-searched by TSA agents at John F. Kennedy International Airport last week.
Lenore Zimmerman of Long Island said she was on her way to Fort Lauderdale, Fla., when security whisked her away to a private room without explanation after she asked to forgo the full-body scan, fearing it might interfere with her defibrillator.
“They took me into a private room and pulled down my slacks and pulled down my underwear” without explanation or apology, Zimmerman told ABC News.

http://abcnews.go.com/blogs/headline...her-underwear/

Yeah, but if you were strip-searching some towel-head f-ing Arab it'd be profiling and a crime.

[fj1200]

It doesn't matter whether it does or not...

I'll assume your answer is really yes, society benefits. Security by TSA is akin to a government regulated monopolistic enterprise where you have no option other than the one you are told you will use; monopolies and government are almost by definition slow and unresponsive. Security provided by multiple other entities, to Federal standards, promotes incentives to serve the same function more quickly, more efficiently, and more responsively. Why is the assumption held that if we don't have the exact searches performed only by the TSA that we are somehow not safe?

[jimnyc]

I'll assume your answer is really yes, society benefits. Security by TSA is akin to a government regulated monopolistic enterprise where you have no option other than the one you are told you will use; monopolies and government are almost by definition slow and unresponsive. Security provided by multiple other entities, to Federal standards, promotes incentives to serve the same function more quickly, more efficiently, and more responsively. Why is the assumption held that if we don't have the exact searches performed only by the TSA that we are somehow not safe?

Who said "exact" searches? The fact is, SEARCHES will remain, some more invasive than others, depending on the situation. And my point is, short of no searches at all, many will still bitch and moan.