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    Default The Origin of Oil Points to Young Earth

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    For more than 100 years oil has been the “black gold” that has fueled transport vehicles and powered global economic growth and prosperity. So how does oil form, and what is its origin?

    Basic Oil Geology
    Oil deposits are usually found in sedimentary rocks. Such rocks formed as sand, silt, and clay grains were eroded from land surfaces and carried by moving water to be deposited in sediment layers. As these sediment layers dried, chemicals from the water formed natural cements to bind the sediment grains into hard rocks.

    Pools of oil are found in underground traps where the host sedimentary rock layers have been folded and/or faulted. The host sedimentary or reservoir rock is still porous enough for the oil to accumulate in spaces between the sediment grains. The oil usually hasn’t formed in the reservoir rock but has been generated in source rock and subsequently migrated through the sedimentary rock layers until trapped.

    The Origin and Chemistry of Oil
    Most scientists agree that hydrocarbons (oil and natural gas) are of organic origin. A few, however, maintain that some natural gas could have formed deep within the earth, where heat melting the rocks may have generated it inorganically. Nevertheless, the weight of evidence favors an organic origin, most petroleum coming from plants and perhaps also animals, which were buried and fossilized in sedimentary source rocks. The petroleum was then chemically altered into crude oil and gas.

    The chemistry of oil provides crucial clues as to its origin. Petroleum is a complex mixture of organic compounds. One such chemical in crude oils is called porphyrin:

    Petroleum porphyrins … have been identified in a sufficient number of sediments and crude oils to establish a wide distribution of the geochemical fossils.
    They are also found in plants and animal blood (see sidebar Porphyrins).

    The Significance of Oil Chemistry
    It is very significant that porphyrin molecules break apart rapidly in the presence of oxygen and heat. Therefore, the fact that porphyrins are still present in crude oils today must mean that the petroleum source rocks and the plant (and animal) fossils in them had to have been kept from the presence of oxygen when they were deposited and buried. There are two ways this could have been achieved:

    1. The sedimentary rocks were deposited under oxygen deficient (or reducing) conditions.

    2. The sedimentary rocks were deposited so rapidly that no oxygen could destroy the porphyrins in the plant and animal fossils.

    However, even where sedimentation is relatively rapid by today’s standards, such as in river deltas in coastal zones, conditions are still oxidizing. Thus, to preserve organic matter containing porphyrins requires its slower degradation in the absence of oxygen, such as in the Black Sea today.9 But such environments are too rare to explain the presence of porphyrins in all the many petroleum deposits found around the world. The only consistent explanation is the catastrophic sedimentation that occurred during the worldwide Genesis Flood. Tons of vegetation and animals were violently uprooted and killed respectively, so that huge amounts of organic matter were buried so rapidly that the porphyrins in it were removed from the oxidizing agents which could have destroyed them.

    The amounts of porphyrins found in crude oils vary from traces to 0.04% (or 400 parts per million). Experiments have produced a concentration of 0.5% porphyrin (of the type found in crude oils) from plant material in just one day, so it doesn’t take millions of years to produce the small amounts of porphyrins found in crude oils. Indeed, a crude oil porphyrin can be made from plant chlorophyll in less than 12 hours. However, other experiments have shown that plant porphyrin breaks down in as little as three days when exposed to temperatures of only 410°F (210°C) for only 12 hours. Therefore, the petroleum source rocks and the crude oils generated from them can’t have been deeply buried to such temperatures for millions of years.

    The Origin & Rate of Oil Formation
    Crude oils themselves do not take long to be generated from appropriate organic matter. Most petroleum geologists believe crude oils form mostly from plant material, such as diatoms (single-celled marine and freshwater photosynthetic organisms) and beds of coal (huge fossilized masses of plant debris). The latter is believed to be the source of most Australian crude oils and natural gas because coal beds are in the same sequences of sedimentary rock layers as the petroleum reservoir rocks. Thus, for example, it has been demonstrated in the laboratory that moderate heating of the brown coals of the Gippsland Basin of Victoria, Australia, to simulate their rapid deeper burial, will generate crude oil and natural gas similar to that found in reservoir rocks offshore in only 2–5 days.

    However, because porphyrins are also found in animal blood, it is possible some crude oils may have been derived from the animals also buried and fossilized in many sedimentary rock layers. Indeed, animal slaughterhouse wastes are now routinely converted within two hours into high-quality oil and high-calcium powdered and potent liquid fertilizers, in a commercial thermal conversion process plant (see sidebar Animal Wastes Become Oil).

    Conclusion
    All the available evidence points to a recent catastrophic origin for the world’s vast oil deposits, from plant and other organic debris, consistent with the biblical account of earth history. Vast forests grew on land and water surfaces in the pre-Flood world, and the oceans teemed with diatoms and other tiny photosynthetic organisms. Then during the global Flood cataclysm, the forests were uprooted and swept away. Huge masses of plant debris were rapidly buried in what thus became coal beds, and organic matter generally was dispersed throughout the many catastrophically deposited sedimentary rock layers. The coal beds and fossiliferous sediment layers became deeply buried as the Flood progressed. As a result, the temperatures in them increased sufficiently to rapidly generate crude oils and natural gas from the organic matter in them. These subsequently migrated until they were trapped in reservoir rocks and structures, thus accumulating to form today’s oil and gas deposits.

    Dr. Andrew Snelling holds a Ph.D. in geology from the University of Sydney and has worked as a consultant research geologist to organizations in both Australia and America. Dr. Snelling is a professor at the Institute for Creation Research in Santee, California, and has written numerous scientific articles.

    http://www.answersingenesis.org/arti...f-oil&vPrint=1
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    More junk science. From a pseudo-scientist.

    There was NO great flood.
    When I die I'm sure to go to heaven, cause I spent my time in hell.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gaffer View Post
    More junk science. From a pseudo-scientist.

    There was NO great flood.
    And I'm sure your credentials easily surpass his eh?

    Dr. Andrew Snelling holds a Ph.D. in geology from the University of Sydney and has worked as a consultant research geologist to organizations in both Australia and America. Dr. Snelling is a professor at the Institute for Creation Research in Santee, California, and has written numerous scientific articles.

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    Interesting. Im not going to reach any conclusions about anything based on it, but interesting none the less. it makes sense to me.

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    Quote Originally Posted by -Cp View Post
    The amounts of porphyrins found in crude oils vary from traces to 0.04% (or 400 parts per million). Experiments have produced a concentration of 0.5% porphyrin (of the type found in crude oils) from plant material in just one day, so it doesn’t take millions of years to produce the small amounts of porphyrins found in crude oils. Indeed, a crude oil porphyrin can be made from plant chlorophyll in less than 12 hours. However, other experiments have shown that plant porphyrin breaks down in as little as three days when exposed to temperatures of only 410°F (210°C) for only 12 hours. Therefore, the petroleum source rocks and the crude oils generated from them can’t have been deeply buried to such temperatures for millions of years.
    If this guys conclusions were accurate, the oil reserves haven't been there for millions of years, or thousands of years, but for only a few days...his conclusions are obviously out of whack.

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    Quote Originally Posted by -Cp View Post
    And I'm sure your credentials easily surpass his eh?

    Dr. Andrew Snelling holds a Ph.D. in geology from the University of Sydney and has worked as a consultant research geologist to organizations in both Australia and America. Dr. Snelling is a professor at the Institute for Creation Research in Santee, California, and has written numerous scientific articles.
    I'm not familiar with this guys credentials, but I have read that some of these creation scientists have bogus degrees from bogus universities and are no more qualified to offer a scientific opinion than Oprah.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Missileman View Post
    I'm not familiar with this guys credentials, but I have read that some of these creation scientists have bogus degrees from bogus universities and are no more qualified to offer a scientific opinion than Oprah.
    You're not even TRYING now....lol
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    Quote Originally Posted by dmp View Post
    You're not even TRYING now....lol
    http://www.talkorigins.org/faqs/credentials.html

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    Quote Originally Posted by Missileman View Post
    Pseudo-facts from a biased, unreliable source.


    (geesh! Y'alls way of arguing is EASY!)
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    Quote Originally Posted by -Cp View Post
    Dr. Snelling is a professor at the Institute for Creation Research in Santee, California, and has written numerous scientific articles.
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    This is where his credibility goes down the toilet. Institute for Creation Research in Santee, California.

    Creation research is just an attempt to prove a mythology. His unproven theory is just a fundimentalist attempt to prove the bible is real history. Again.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Gaffer View Post
    His unproven theory...
    Is having a 'proven theory' the litmus test to credibility? If so....you know where i'm going, don't ya?
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    Better read.

    The geological time scale is used by geologists and other scientists to describe the timing and relationships between events that have occurred during the history of the Earth. The table of geologic periods presented here is in accordance with the dates and nomenclature proposed by the International Commission on Stratigraphy, and uses the standard color codes of the United States Geological Survey.

    Evidence from radiometric dating indicates that the Earth is about 4,570 million years old (expressed with m.y.a., i.e. million years ago, or "Ma" as in "it dates from 4570 Ma"). The geological or deep time of Earth's past has been organized into various units according to events which took place in each period. Different spans of time on the time scale are usually delimited by major geological or paleontological events, such as mass extinctions. For example, the boundary between the Cretaceous period and the Paleogene period is defined by the extinction event that marked the demise of the dinosaurs and of many marine species. Older periods which predate the reliable fossil record are defined by absolute age.
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Geologic_time_scale
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    Dr. Andrew Snelling holds a Ph.D. in geology from the University of Sydney and has worked as a consultant research geologist
    Well then surly he's familiar with the geologic time line.
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    Quote Originally Posted by dmp View Post
    Pseudo-facts from a biased, unreliable source.


    (geesh! Y'alls way of arguing is EASY!)
    Do you have any information to dispute the claims of the link or are you, in true creationist fashion, going to make believe they don't exist?

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    Quote Originally Posted by dmp View Post
    Is having a 'proven theory' the litmus test to credibility? If so....you know where i'm going, don't ya?
    He has a theory. Its not proved in anyway. When he has real scientist that are not fundimentally motivated support his theory then he will have some credibility. And I say he has a unproven theory because its fundimentally based, not scientically based, and is not even a true scientific theory.

    I find these guys to be offensive. They attempt to spin science to achieve their particular agenda of making the bible appear literally true when it is not. It's simply a blueprint for civilization.

    This guy has as much credibility as al gore.
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