To Catch a Predator

[darin]

CH - Gunny isn't debating the constitution or legality. He's saying "He hates the entrapment he sees" - you are countering him for probably a couple reasons - yet using your perspective on definitions and legalities against his opinion.

[ConHog]

I'm not sure about the Constitutionality of entrapment but I would argue that the police should have some latitude in regards to pedophiles. Kids do not have the ability to defend themselves against predators and if there is a way to address potential predators without running afoul of entrapment then I think the police should have that tool. An officer posing as a child, on an internet forum for example, without "looking for it" is not entrapping anyone. I think in that scenario they are not "dangling the carrot," the predator is enticing the minor.

One could even make the argument that Predator isn't acting as an agent of the police and therefor even if they ARE entrapping people tough shit.

[fj1200]

^I wasn't addressing the show.

[ConHog]

CH - Gunny isn't debating the constitution or legality. He's saying "He hates the entrapment he sees" - you are countering him for probably a couple reasons - yet using your perspective on definitions and legalities against his opinion.

But he IS arguing the constitutionality of it DMP he has SEVERAL times in this thread said that what Predator does violates the COTUS. Those are HIS words, not mine. If that's not arguing that it is unconstitutional, I don't know what it is.

[ConHog]

^I wasn't addressing the show.

Understood, I was just relating what you said to the circumstances of the show.

[Gunny]

What misinterpretation? And please stop flaming. No one is calling you an idiot for having a wrong opinion.

In order to show that something is unconstitutional you MUST show where it prohibited in the COTUS. You just keep saying "fifth amendment" but you fail to show where in the fifth amendment police entrapment is mentioned at all. The FACT is Gunny police entrapment is an idea introduced into US Law by those slimy lawyers and activist judges you so oft gripe about. It is NOT in the COTUS at all.

Please stop trying to play victim and seeing "flaming" where none exists.

Last I checked, the 5th Amendment addresses one's Right to not self-incriminate. Sorry if that doesn't jive with your response. Entrapment is being purposefully lured by law enforcement into self-incrimination. Simple math.

[Gunny]

I'm not sure about the Constitutionality of entrapment but I would argue that the police should have some latitude in regards to pedophiles. Kids do not have the ability to defend themselves against predators and if there is a way to address potential predators without running afoul of entrapment then I think the police should have that tool. An officer posing as a child, on an internet forum for example, without "looking for it" is not entrapping anyone. I think in that scenario they are not "dangling the carrot," the predator is enticing the minor.

As was pointed out via the show ....

Going after under age children and pedophilia are two different animals. I didn't know that. Pedophilia is going after pre-pubescent kids, and considered separate from going after under age kids. Go figure, but that was the cop's statement.

Otherwise, you make a valid point. Thank you.

[ConHog]

Please stop trying to play victim and seeing "flaming" where none exists.

Last I checked, the 5th Amendment addresses one's Right to not self-incriminate. Sorry if that doesn't jive with your response. Entrapment is being purposefully lured by law enforcement into self-incrimination. Simple math.

Calling someone an idiot IS flaming.

Be that as it may, here you are absolutely arguing that this show is unconstitutional. You're WRONG. This isn't up for question. It's a fact. You are WRONG.

Entrapment has NOTHING to do with self incrimination. Not one SINGLE thing. As far as that goes, you are self incriminating yourself any time you commit a crime Gunny. You can't be incriminated unless you actually COMMIT the crime. Entrapment is when the police INTICE you to commit a crime you otherwise wouldn't have committed.

And THAT is if you can eve prove that this show is acting as an agent of the police. Which I believe you probably could make that case; but it's not a given.

For example, if you and I were hanging out and I tried to talk you into robbing a bank, and you were like "rob a bank?" and I talked you into it and then we got arrested, you couldn't claim entrapment. Because I'm not an agent of the police.

[Gunny]

Calling someone an idiot IS flaming.

Be that as it may, here you are absolutely arguing that this show is unconstitutional. You're WRONG. This isn't up for question. It's a fact. You are WRONG.

Entrapment has NOTHING to do with self incrimination. Not one SINGLE thing. As far as that goes, you are self incriminating yourself any time you commit a crime Gunny. You can't be incriminated unless you actually COMMIT the crime. Entrapment is when the police INTICE you to commit a crime you otherwise wouldn't have committed.

And THAT is if you can eve prove that this show is acting as an agent of the police. Which I believe you probably could make that case; but it's not a given.

For example, if you and I were hanging out and I tried to talk you into robbing a bank, and you were like "rob a bank?" and I talked you into it and then we got arrested, you couldn't claim entrapment. Because I'm not an agent of the police.

Really. And her eI thought it was calling a stone a stone.

I'm not wrong, douchenoodle. Try thinking for yourself instead of doing nothing more than regurgitating case law. Fuck off. I asked a question to people that can think. Not people who just think quoting some bullshit decision makes them right. Hell, I can look up the stupid decision.

Feel free to try www.sesamestreet.com where you can post with your equals.

[ConHog]

Really. And her eI thought it was calling a stone a stone.

I'm not wrong, douchenoodle. Try thinking for yourself instead of doing nothing more than regurgitating case law. Fuck off. I asked a question to people that can think. Not people who just think quoting some bullshit decision makes them right. Hell, I can look up the stupid decision.

Feel free to try www.sesamestreet.com where you can post with your equals.

More flaming and deflecting from you?

Notice I'm not doing either. I'm addressing THE ISSUE. which is this Is Predator entrapment? It is NOT, that isn't a question. It's a statement of fact.

Legal terms have meanings and definitions, entrapment included, and Predator meets none of those.

[darin]

jeezus aich kryst.

[Gunny]

More flaming and deflecting from you?

Notice I'm not doing either. I'm addressing THE ISSUE. which is this Is Predator entrapment? It is NOT, that isn't a question. It's a statement of fact.

Legal terms have meanings and definitions, entrapment included, and Predator meets none of those.

jeezus aich kryst.

Done wrecking the thread and crying like the whiny bitch you are? If you had a damned clue someone might listen to you. Haven't seen THAT happen in 3+ years.

Darin, please put this in the cage. I won't mod my own threads unless I have to. Obviously an adult conversation on the topic is not to be had.

[ConHog]

Done wrecking the thread and crying like the whiny bitch you are? If you had a damned clue someone might listen to you. Haven't seen THAT happen in 3+ years.

Darin, please put this in the cage. I won't mod my own threads unless I have to. Obviously an adult conversation on the topic is not to be had.

Asking you to stop flaming and stick with the topic is NOT whinging Gunny.

Topic.

Is Predator entrapment?

Answer

No

See that I managed to stay on topic, you should give it a try.

[LuvRPgrl]

I'm not sure about the Constitutionality of entrapment but I would argue that the police should have some latitude in regards to pedophiles. Kids do not have the ability to defend themselves against predators and if there is a way to address potential predators without running afoul of entrapment then I think the police should have that tool. An officer posing as a child, on an internet forum for example, without "looking for it" is not entrapping anyone. I think in that scenario they are not "dangling the carrot," the predator is enticing the minor.

As was pointed out via the show ....

Going after under age children and pedophilia are two different animals. I didn't know that. Pedophilia is going after pre-pubescent kids, and considered separate from going after under age kids. Go figure, but that was the cop's statement.

Otherwise, you make a valid point. Thank you.

People often confuse pedophilia with 'sex with an underage kid;
AS stated, pedo is on very young kids, 12 year olds are in varying states of puberty, I remember some chicks in the 6th and 7th grade that were already well developed, a true pedo would consider them too old.

That said, if a person is on the internet, I dont see how that could be dangling a carrot. I mean, the attraction is physical, unless pics are involved, to do something you normally wouldnt would pretty much require that a guy SEES THE KID AND THEN LOSES HIS 'CONTROL' to say no, so to speak.
There are alot of guys who wouldnt be interested in sex with underage kids unless confronted in a situation where the person is physically present.

I think guys who respond to the chat rooms are set solid on underage kids, and wouldnt be there for any other reason. They also have plenty of time to reconsider once they are on their way, not to mention its virtually impossible that all of those guys have never done it before.

Pedos are dead set predators, there is no wiggle room, its not like, oh, I want to get laid tonight, should I go to the bar and look for an adult, or go online and hunt for some 6 yr old victim. They simply cant be entrapped.

IM SURPRISED THAT MANY GUYS ARE THAT STUPID TO FALL FOR IT, ONE GUY EVEN GOT CAUGHT TWO DAYS IN A ROW. DUHHHHHH

Its not like the guys havent had plenty of time and opportunities to change their mind. Its not like a whore sticking her boobs in some guys face, then luring him into a room and having sex. Hell, I picked up a cop working as a street walker one time, I didnt realize she was either, she just told me to pull over and she went her merry way, it took me a little while to figure out what happened.

[ConHog]

What I find REALLY odd about Gunny's stance is that there is a thread about the show Bait Car running right now, he's participated in, and not one has he said that THAT is entrapment.

Just weird.