Holder: U.S. can lawfully target American citizens

[revelarts]

Al-walaki's son was "innocent"... I suppose you have proof that they intentionally targeted his son; and he wasn't just collateral damage of known al Quada operations. I realize it upsets you; but his father had absolutely no intention of ever being taken alive and standing trial for his repeated and ongoing involvement in jihad on the West; seeking asylum in the arms of, and further inspiring jihad and hate in, his tribal brothers and sisters; which common sense dictates that his son was undoubtedly a part.

Bradly Manning, if i'm not mistaken, was a US soldier-- I don't believe he has the same rights as a citizen-- he waived them when he signed up.

love the way you guys dodge my points sometimes.

PRE-EMPTIVE STANDING -cough-

But You've Assumed Alwaki's Son Guilty, and that by association, maybe his grandma is AlQuea too. But i thought we assumed American's Innocent Until proven Guilty, at least that what I've been told.

And Soldiers loose all of there rights when they sign up? C'mon log you know better. So why are theire courts in the military log? for show? So they could just Shoot Manning in Jail and that'd be lawfully? um no , you don't give up all your rights, Your under military law but most constitutional rights are retained especially off the battle field and Speedy trail is One which is especially upheld and important in the military because there is no bail to speak of. And no Cruel and unusual punishment is a Right Taken for granted even for foreign POWs much less our own soldiers.

[DragonStryk72]

love the way you guys dodge my points sometimes.

PRE-EMPTIVE STANDING -cough-

But You've Assumed Alwaki's Son Guilty, and that by association, maybe his grandma is AlQuea too. But i thought we assumed American's Innocent Until proven Guilty, at least that what I've been told.

And Soldiers loose all of there rights when they sign up? C'mon log you know better. So why are theire courts in the military log? for show? So they could just Shoot Manning in Jail and that'd be lawfully? um no , you don't give up all your rights, Your under military law but most constitutional rights are retained especially off the battle field and Speedy trail is One which is especially upheld and important in the military because there is no bail to speak of. And no Cruel and unusual punishment is a Right Taken for granted even for foreign POWs much less our own soldiers.

However, in this instance, we already had proof that Awlaki had orchestrated attacks (Some of it his own statements to the effect), and was planning more as he went along. We had to take his threats seriously as he has already shown that he will kill people, even people who are innocent to go after this aims. Now, this doesn't entirely remove due process, but at that point he has declared himself to be an enemy soldier, and that means, as far as the military's concerned, he's an okay target to put bullets into. Should we be making sure that the evidence we have is good and sound as the manner of due process? Of course, I'm not saying otherwise, but you can't just let someone keep on killing people either, and a breach could have cost even more lives in the process.

[revelarts]

However, in this instance, we already had proof that Awlaki had orchestrated attacks (Some of it his own statements to the effect), and was planning more as he went along. We had to take his threats seriously as he has already shown that he will kill people, even people who are innocent to go after this aims. Now, this doesn't entirely remove due process, but at that point he has declared himself to be an enemy soldier, and that means, as far as the military's concerned, he's an okay target to put bullets into. Should we be making sure that the evidence we have is good and sound as the manner of due process? Of course, I'm not saying otherwise, but you can't just let someone keep on killing people either, and a breach could have cost even more lives in the process.

You must have must scanned my reply, i was talking about the son. But Agreed Due process can't get lost in the shuffle even when on the surface it seem plain that a person is guilty.

[DragonStryk72]

You must have must scanned my reply, i was talking about the son. But Agreed Due process can't get lost in the shuffle even when on the surface it seem plain that a person is guilty.

I hate to say it this way, Rev, but sometimes collateral damage happens in war, which is why so many people try to move their families and loved ones clear of it. Yes, we should be making certain Due process is done, but mostly with the war overseas, it's going to be getting done post mortem, as opposed to while they're still alive.

[jimnyc]

Sure, Awlaki's son, innocent, wrong place at the wrong time - just happened to be cruising the town with known terrorists when a missile landed in their laps. Don't hang around with Al Qaeda and the likes and you'll have a better chance of avoiding incoming missiles.