Black Kid killed for being black

[LuvRPgrl]

Try doing a search, I'm not doing your homework for you, but these facts have been released.

Yeah, Zimmerman had the upper hand alright, while Martin straddled on top of him was bashing his head into the ground, after he already broke his nose. Martin decided to "fight for his life" as you stated, when he didn't need to, and HE assaulted an armed man. He paid the price for his mistake.

talk about making assumptions.
zimmermans version are not facts,,

as they say, video doesnt lie,
but witnesses do

[Wind Song]

If the races had been reversed one would have been HISPANIC and the other black.

Have you not paid any attention to the news media past the innitial story???????


This is not and never has been a black/white crime. Zimms mother is Peruvian. At least get SOME of your facts straight.


I'm also getting tired of the "gated community" description. This shooting took place in a multi-ethnic and multi-race APPARTMENT complex.

Zimmerman is half white. He was initially referred to in police reports as white. The name "Zimmerman" isn't Hispanic. Racial profiling was involved in this case. Martin is dead b/c he was "walking around while black". 73% of blacks said they believe George Zimmerman would have been arrested if Trayvon was white, while 33% of whites agreed.

Trayvon was labeled because of stereotypes … that blacks are up to no good, that they need to be watched. Black males are often viewed as perpetrators of crime, whether they are or not. Zimmerman prejudicial attitudes and stereotypes toward African-American males. He sought to define them as criminals, and pursued them as such, in his effort to prove himself as a pseudo-law enforcement officer. What he claimed was a "suspicious" man, who "looks like he's on a drugs", turned out to be a 17-year old child walking home to his father and brother to watch basketball.

Trayvon Martin's body lay dead for three days before police officers thought it necessary to find his parents, and in the process, overruled their own investigator's suggestion to charge the boy's shooter -- opting instead to let Zimmerman walk as if no crime had occurred.

[jimnyc]

talk about making assumptions.
zimmermans version are not facts,,

as they say, video doesnt lie,
but witnesses do

What you quoted and the beanhead thanked you for, was what the one and only witness told the police. Me repeating what he stated doesn't mean I'm making assumptions. So are both you and WS claiming that Zimmerman is lying, and the independent witness, who gave his version of events while on the phone with 911 that night, is also lying? That would be one hell of a coincidence that his version and Zimmermans lined up so closely.

[LuvRPgrl]

What you quoted and the beanhead thanked you for, was what the one and only witness told the police. Me repeating what he stated doesn't mean I'm making assumptions. So are both you and WS claiming that Zimmerman is lying, and the independent witness, who gave his version of events while on the phone with 911 that night, is also lying? That would be one hell of a coincidence that his version and Zimmermans lined up so closely.

you mentioned facts and assumptions.
You are assuming the witness accounts are true and accurate, they are NOT FACTS.

FACTS.
Martin was shot with a gun.
Someone was screaming for help and then there was a gun fired.
the location where it took place.
zimmerman ignored the order to not follow Martin.

zimmerman and the other guy, "his buddy" had plenty of motivation to lie.
At what point did the other guy give his statement? If you know.


Your repeating what he said, for whatever is your reason, is part of a process of making assumptions.
nothing more, nothing less
thats all....

[Wind Song]

Fact: Zimmerman is described by co-workers as a "jekyl and hyde" personality.

Fact: Zimmerman was fired for using too much force while working as a security guard. He assaulted a woman while on duty.

Fact: Zimmerman was arrested for attacking a police officer.

Fact: Zimmerman has a history of domestic violence against women.

Fact: Neighborhood Watch officers are not supposed to be armed.

Fact: Zimmerman was carrying a concealed weapon while patrolling the neighborhood.

Fact: Zimmerman describes Martin as "having something wrong with him" and as "being on drugs".

Fact: Nothing was wrong with Martin. He was on his way home with skittles and ice tea to watch basketball with his father.

Fact: The lead investigator wanted to charge Zimmerman with manslaughter. Fact: He wasn't allowed to.

Fact: The initial police reports describe Zimmerman as white. Fact: Zimmerman is half white and half Peruvian American.

Fact: Zimmerman referred to Martin as "these assholes who always get away".

Fact: Zimmerman family claims george's snoz was broken, yet he did not go to the hospital.

Fact: Police sent a narcotics cop to the scene instead of a homicide detective.

Inference: Zimmerman decided Martin wouldn't get away. Zimmerman had racially profiled Martin as "suspicious" on very little evidence. He presumed LE activity, followed Martin against LE advice and initiated a physical altercation which gave him the excuse to fire his weapon and kill Martin.

[gabosaurus]

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And we say racism doesn't exist in America.

Going back to the beginning:
Yes, racism does exist in America. But can you tell us WHY it exists?
If you don't understand why, please cease the continued pontification about ths subject.

[Wind Song]

Going back to the beginning:
Yes, racism does exist in America. But can you tell us WHY it exists?
If you don't understand why, please cease the continued pontification about ths subject.

Oh come on. Do you really want to discuss why racism exists?

[SassyLady]

Oh come on. Do you really want to discuss why racism exists?

Yes.

[Wind Song]

Yes.

Then put forth your own reasons for it, and I will do the same. Racism exists because some people think their race is superior to another. I remember the time in which blacks were considered "dirty" because their hands were dark. The presumption continues to be among many people that blacks are inherently more likely to be criminal than whites. Racism arises out of fear and hatred. It's the same reason anti-semitism arises. You folks who think racism doesn't exist, IMO, are naive.

Racism arises out of ignorance. It is a specific form of prejudice, one that lends itself to institutional responses, like racial profiling by police. I have a Buddhist answer for this too, but Jim has asked me to not act like a Buddhist when I'm debating.

In Buddhism, racism arises out of duality; self and other.

[fj1200]

You folks who think racism doesn't exist, IMO, are naive.

Who would that be?

[Wind Song]

Who would that be?

People who say there is NO racism at all in this Martin/Zimmerman case.

[LuvRPgrl]

Going back to the beginning:
Yes, racism does exist in America. But can you tell us WHY it exists?
If you don't understand why, please cease the continued pontification about ths subject.

it exists in America for the same reason it exists everywhere else in the world, always has, always will.
There is probably less racism in america than most places in the world.

People who say there is NO racism at all in this Martin/Zimmerman case.

actually nobody has really said that, what they have said is there is no proof of it,
yet, I think they are speaking of racism from zimmerman, of which I see no proof also,
but as for the police dept, I see plenty of it.

What ;most who are bitching about all the rallies and the cry of racism are not understanding
is that the parents are crying the police dept has behaved racially and simply want a better investigation,
of which I cant blame them one bit when you consider the investigation would have been performed better by barney fiffe himself, LITERALLY.

Not to mention, those bitching that blacks are always crying about racism are practicing the exact same thing when they do that.

[LuvRPgrl]

Then put forth your own reasons for it, and I will do the same. Racism exists because some people think their race is superior to another. I remember the time in which blacks were considered "dirty" because their hands were dark. The presumption continues to be among many people that blacks are inherently more likely to be criminal than whites. Racism arises out of fear and hatred. It's the same reason anti-semitism arises. You folks who think racism doesn't exist, IMO, are naive.

Racism arises out of ignorance. It is a specific form of prejudice, one that lends itself to institutional responses, like racial profiling by police. I have a Buddhist answer for this too, but Jim has asked me to not act like a Buddhist when I'm debating.

In Buddhism, racism arises out of duality; self and other.

U

racism has nothing to do with ignorance.
Assuming Jim did tell you to not act like a buddhist, are you really going to listen to him???? cowardice brings bad karma

[Wind Song]

Zimmerman he did certain things the night of Feb. 26 to bolster the racial profiling claim. He saw a black kid in a hoodie and immediately decided he was "up to no good." Zimmerman had concluded Martin was guilty of a number of things even though he didn't see the youth commit anything that could be remotely described as a crime. Martin looked like he was on drugs, Zimmerman told police.
Martin was one of "these assholes [who] always get away," Zimmerman said. While Zimmerman might not be a racist, he did draw several conclusions about Martin the night of Feb. 26 that were probably based on race.

[LuvRPgrl]

Zimmerman he did certain things the night of Feb. 26 to bolster the racial profiling claim. He saw a black kid in a hoodie and immediately decided he was "up to no good." Zimmerman had concluded Martin was guilty of a number of things even though he didn't see the youth commit anything that could be remotely described as a crime. Martin looked like he was on drugs, Zimmerman told police.
Martin was one of "these assholes [who] always get away," Zimmerman said. While Zimmerman might not be a racist, he did draw several conclusions about Martin the night of Feb. 26 that were probably based on race.

might be true, but you have absolutely no evidence whatsoever to substantiate it.
to prove racism, you have to show a pattern of behavior, one event does not constitute a pattern.

there were other factors that did or may have played a role in making z think he was a criminal,
or maybe not, but we certainly cant prove it, and z isnt going to tell us the truth if he did it simply because Marting is black.