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    Default Moveon Flexing Muscles On Democrats

    Soros is not joking around, I don't think the Dems actually recognized their problem with the Faustian bargain:

    http://www.nytimes.com/2007/05/06/wa...gewanted=print


    May 6, 2007
    Antiwar Groups Use New Clout to Influence Democrats on Iraq
    By MICHAEL LUO

    WASHINGTON, May 4 — Every morning, representatives from a cluster of antiwar groups gather for a conference call with Democratic leadership staff members in the House and the Senate.

    Shortly after, in a cramped meeting room here, they convene for a call with organizers across the country. They hash out plans for rallies. They sketch out talking points for “rapid response” news conferences. They discuss polls they have conducted in several dozen crucial Congressional districts and states across the country.

    Over the last four months, the Iraq deliberations in Congress have lurched from a purely symbolic resolution rebuking the president’s strategy to timetables for the withdrawal of American troops. Behind the scenes, an elaborate political operation, organized by a coalition of antiwar groups and fine-tuned to wrestle members of Congress into place one by one, has helped nudge the debate forward.

    But there are tensions in the relationship between the groups, which banded together earlier this year under the umbrella of Americans Against Escalation in Iraq, and the Democratic leadership. The fissures could be magnified in coming weeks as the House speaker, Nancy Pelosi of California, and the Senate majority leader, Harry Reid of Nevada, struggle to cobble together a strategy after President Bush’s veto of the $124 billion Iraq spending bill that tied the money to a timetable for withdrawal.

    On Thursday, leaders of the liberal group MoveOn.org, including Tom Matzzie, the group’s Washington director who also serves as the campaign manager for the coalition, sent a harshly worded warning to the Democratic leadership.

    “In the past few days, we have seen what appear to be trial balloons signaling a significant weakening of the Democratic position,” the letter read. “On this, we want to be perfectly clear: if Democrats appear to capitulate to Bush — passing a bill without measures to end the war — the unity Democrats have enjoyed and Democratic leadership has so expertly built, will immediately disappear.”

    The letter went on to say that if Democrats passed a bill “without a timeline and with all five months of funding,” they would essentially be endorsing a “war without end.” MoveOn, it said, “will move to a position of opposition.”

    The antiwar coalition combines the online mobilization capabilities of MoveOn with the old-school political muscle of organized labor. They have been working in tandem with Democratic leadership in both the House and the Senate on a systematic strategy to unify Democrats, divide Republicans and isolate the president.


    The alliance, including MoveOn, chose to stick with Ms. Pelosi as she ushered through a war financing bill that included a timeline for withdrawal, but many peace advocates called the measure too timid. Some critics accused the alliance of becoming too cozy with the Democratic leadership and selling out the cause.

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    Trouble in paradise... I love it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Pale Rider View Post
    Trouble in paradise... I love it.
    I love it to, saw it last week.

    There is absolutely no reason to keep either party if they place politics above governance.

    And it is about time that the left established the kind of infrastructures that the right has been cultivating for 30 years to force the parties to respond to the concerns of what is 65% of the nation in this case.

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    Quote Originally Posted by loosecannon View Post
    I love it to, saw it last week.

    There is absolutely no reason to keep either party if they place politics above governance.

    And it is about time that the left established the kind of infrastructures that the right has been cultivating for 30 years to force the parties to respond to the concerns of what is 65% of the nation in this case.
    Or maybe it's time the democratic party returned to "IT'S" roots, and left the looney left behind. Let the looney's form their own new party called the MOON BATS.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Pale Rider View Post
    Or maybe it's time the democratic party returned to "IT'S" roots, and left the looney left behind. Let the looney's form their own new party called the MOON BATS.
    Wow, haha, "looney" haha. Tool.
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    Science wants to explain things and understand why they happen. Creationists want to use science to justify their own causes.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hagbard Celine View Post
    Wow, haha, "looney" haha. Tool.
    If the shoe fits, wear it. Or in your case, you'll wear it out. Dimwit.

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    soros is out to rule the country through the libs in congress. That's his goal. He owns most of them now and he's forcing out those that don't fall in line.

    That is one dangerous evil man.
    When I die I'm sure to go to heaven, cause I spent my time in hell.

    You get more with a kind word and a two by four, than you do with just a kind word.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gaffer View Post
    soros is out to rule the country through the libs in congress. That's his goal. He owns most of them now and he's forcing out those that don't fall in line.

    That is one dangerous evil man.
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Black_Wednesday

    good old george......

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/George_Soros

    In 1997, during the Asian financial crisis, then Malaysian Prime Minister Mahathir bin Mohamad accused Soros of using the wealth under his control to punish ASEAN for welcoming Myanmar as a member. Later, he called Soros a moron.[9] Thai nationals have called Soros "an economic war criminal" who "sucks the blood from the people".[10]
    Last edited by manu1959; 05-08-2007 at 10:11 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by manu1959 View Post
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Black_Wednesday

    good old george......

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/George_Soros

    In 1997, during the Asian financial crisis, then Malaysian Prime Minister Mahathir bin Mohamad accused Soros of using the wealth under his control to punish ASEAN for welcoming Myanmar as a member. Later, he called Soros a moron.[9] Thai nationals have called Soros "an economic war criminal" who "sucks the blood from the people".[10]
    Manu, you might wanna reconsider that post and probably delete it.

    The Thais criticism of Soros is all on account of his succesful capitalist ventures in line with modern GOP thinking.

    They hate him because he wrecks other markets for profit, just like your GOP heroes.

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    Quote Originally Posted by loosecannon View Post
    Manu, you might wanna reconsider that post and probably delete it.

    The Thais criticism of Soros is all on account of his succesful capitalist ventures in line with modern GOP thinking.

    They hate him because he wrecks other markets for profit, just like your GOP heroes.
    yep soros is just like "my" gop heroes....tell me, who are my gop heroes?

    "I would rather live my life as if there is a God and die to find out there isn't, than live my life as if there isn't and die to find out there is."

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    Quote Originally Posted by manu1959 View Post
    yep soros is just like "my" gop heroes....tell me, who are my gop heroes?
    Rupert Murdoch has gotta be in there somewhere...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Baron Von Esslingen View Post
    Rupert Murdoch has gotta be in there somewhere...
    HEY NOW....rup brodcasts all my manchester united matches......

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