Objective learning, religious style.

[tailfins]

Wrong. It's about whether to continue or terminate the pregnancy. It still about a woman's decision.

Except men can make a decision not to fraternize with or even be civil to women who would have an abortion. It would be preferable to be in the company of the drunk sleeping at the subway entrance. I teach my kids the same. Lonely feminists make me smile.

[jimnyc]

Are you pro-choice or not?

I get the impression, not. You think all women should carry all pregnancies to term?

Frankly, if more women and men discussed the possibility of pregnancy before fucking, we'd have far less unwanted pregnancies.

All women should carry to term? I've said NOTHING about all in either direction, only that I thought all parties involved should have a say/right in the matter. I NEVER said a man should be able to tell a woman what to do, no matter how many times you repeat your lie.

I don't care about men's rights to what goes on in a woman's body. If men want to be taken seriously, they should talk about contraception long before they get their rocks off.

Men crack me up. They can't stand to come second when a decision is to be made. They want to TELL the woman what HER DECISION should be.

I don't know who "they" are, but you're repeating that same lie again.

As for the bold, don't you think women carry any personal responsibility when deciding to be sexually active? Or is it not necessary for her, as she can decide what she wants to do when and if she gets pregnant?

[Wind Song]

Well honey I guess I'm lucky, because everytime I've gotten screwed their have been two people involved.

No one but you is saying anyone should be FORCED. You want a man to PAY PAY PAY.

All anyone else is saying is that if a woman wants a child and the man doesn't than it should be the woman's responsibility to pay for the child.

If the woman wants to carry the pregnancy to term, the man has to pay. That's the law. If the woman wants to terminate the pregnancy, either of them, or both of them can pay for the procedure.

[Trigg]

As for the bold, don't you think women carry any personal responsibility when deciding to be sexually active? Or is it not necessary for her, as she can decide what she wants to do when and if she gets pregnant?

nope obviously she thinks us poor simpleminded women can't keep our legs together long enough to go to the Dr's and get on the pill, or demand a rubber be used.

We certainly aren't able to use the phone long enough to make an appointment to get a tubal.

[jimnyc]

If the woman wants to carry the pregnancy to term, the man has to pay. That's the law. If the woman wants to terminate the pregnancy, either of them or both of them can pay.

How about if a man is going to pay anyway if she carries to term, but she wants an abortion which shows she doesn't want the child - the man says tough shit, pay for the abortion yourself. Now she has no recourse, other than have the kid, which she already displayed she doesn't want. Let her have her abortion and the bill associated with it.

[Wind Song]

All women should carry to term? I've said NOTHING about all in either direction, only that I thought all parties involved should have a say/right in the matter. I NEVER said a man should be able to tell a woman what to do, no matter how many times you repeat your lie.



I don't know who "they" are, but you're repeating that same lie again.

As for the bold, don't you think women carry any personal responsibility when deciding to be sexually active? Or is it not necessary for her, as she can decide what she wants to do when and if she gets pregnant?

You can't see why it may not be in the woman's best interest to disclose her pregnancy to the man? All parties do NOT deserve a say in the matter.

How many women did you fuck and not ask about contraception?

[Trigg]

If the woman wants to carry the pregnancy to term, the man has to pay. That's the law. If the woman wants to terminate the pregnancy, either of them, or both of them can pay for the procedure.

8 pages and THAT'S THE FUCKING ARGUMENT.

holy shit this is not worth my time


I know what the law says, and obviously YOU agree with it.

What I've been saying is it isn't fair. If a woman wants to CHOOSE to have a pregnancy and the man doesn't. The man SHOULD NOT HAVE TO PAY.

[fj1200]

Because we haven't assigned it status as a "person" owed rights.

I know what the current legal status is, the question goes to why you think a fetus is not granted the same right of life that the rest of us are. Why do you think the fetus as property argument is greater than the fetus being granted its own right of life argument?

[jimnyc]

You can't see why it may not be in the woman's best interest to disclose her pregnancy to the man? All parties do NOT deserve a say in the matter.

How many women did you fuck and not ask about contraception?

No say no pay!

[Wind Song]

How about if a man is going to pay anyway if she carries to term, but she wants an abortion which shows she doesn't want the child - the man says tough shit, pay for the abortion yourself. Now she has no recourse, other than have the kid, which she already displayed she doesn't want. Let her have her abortion and the bill associated with it.

If the man is against abortion I don't think he should pay for it. These are conversations women and men should be having before getting into bed. Yes, how often they don't discuss these things.

You want to punish the woman who chooses to terminate the pregnancy. Make her pay for it.

Well, fuck that. He is 50% responsible for knocking her up.

[jimnyc]

You want to punish the woman who chooses to terminate the pregnancy. Make her pay for it.

Well, fuck that. He is 50% responsible for knocking her up.

She chooses - she pays. Not a damned thing she can do if she chooses to terminate and he doesn't want to pay.

Oh, and the hypocrisy in this post makes me want to vomit.

[fj1200]

That logic seems to go hand-in-hand with "and therefore, we should only be having sex in order to conceive."

Again, who here made that argument?

The issue is CHOICE. It used to not be a choice for a woman. Now it is.

No it's not, the issue is much more fundamental than that.

[Wind Song]

YOU SAID a man has no choice. If a women decides to continue the pregnancy he has to PAY.


a woman shouldn't be able to have it both ways. THAT IS ALL JIM OR I AM SAYING.

A woman can have it any way she likes. She can choose to terminate the pregnancy or she can carry the pregnancy to term.

[Wind Song]

She chooses - she pays. Not a damned thing she can do if she chooses to terminate and he doesn't want to pay.

Oh, and the hypocrisy in this post makes me want to vomit.

You don't like it that it's the woman's choice, ultimately.

[Wind Song]

No say no pay!

No say, I'll bet.