Objective learning, religious style.

[Wind Song]

I'm pretty sure the vast majority of women get pregnant from having sex with a man. As Rev points out, its a conscious decision to engage in the acts which result in pregnancy... turkey basting notwithstanding.




Just wanted to point, IMO, the above is not a prochoice/prolife argument; unless you think government is charged with enforcing morality. I'm a bit into liberty to accept such a state role.

Please accept my apology. I thought you were blaming the women for getting pregnant. Mea culpa, mea culpa, mea maxima culpa.

[Wind Song]

Just like I am pro-life but believe in the death penalty. Some militant pro-choice people like to throw that in my face.

I'm against the DP and I'm pro-choice. That's the way we humans are. Complex.

[PostmodernProphet]

But you probably think your sperm are people too.

no, actually I've studied enough biology to know the difference....

[Wind Song]

no, actually I've studied enough biology to know the difference....

Good for you. It's a joke in liberal circles.

[PostmodernProphet]

What isn't fair about the way you discuss this issue is that you refuse to acknowledge that a fertilized egg is not a child. A fertilized egg is not a baby. A fetus is not a baby.

that is another difference between us....I see no reason to distinguish between a child before the umbilical cord is cut and a child after the umbilical cord is cut.....most pro-choicers are the same way....they don't hold fetus showers......they don't buy each other fetus gifts......the woman doesn't call her husband at work and say "the rabbit died, we're going to have a fetus"......it's only after they've decided to kill it that the baby becomes something less than a baby......

[PostmodernProphet]

I won't bother getting into the karma of killing and how that affects the mind.

isn't that the problem we're trying to solve?.......the fact you won't get into it?.....

[Wind Song]

that is another difference between us....I see no reason to distinguish between a child before the umbilical cord is cut and a child after the umbilical cord is cut.....

It's not a child the day after. It's a fertilized egg that hasn't implanted in the uterus yet.

I think you expect me to alter my deeply held beliefs to adopt yours. That's not going to happen anymore than I'm going to change your beliefs.

I was in a women's group with the pro-life and pro-choice women for YEARS. We never changed each others views but we came to find affection and respect for each other.

Is that possible with your side on this forum?

[PostmodernProphet]

Good for you. It's a joke in liberal circles.

I consider most liberals to be jokes....

[Wind Song]

isn't that the problem we're trying to solve?.......the fact you won't get into it?.....

Not at all. If I felt you respected my position I would discuss my spiritual beliefs regarding karma and abortion with you.

You don't respect me because I'm not a moral absolutist.

[Wind Song]

I consider most liberals to be jokes....

And you wonder why our conversation won't progress. Your post sounds haughty.

[PostmodernProphet]

It's not a child the day after. It's a fertilized egg that hasn't implanted in the uterus yet.

yes, I know.....perhaps you will have noticed that just as you have tried to frame the issue of abortion in terms of only the first day, I in turn have framed it in terms of the last day......hopefully, doing so has made you realize that the real problem lies in the other 8 months and 28 days.....if not, I will make a bargain with you......I will allow you to abort as many unborn children as you wish within the first 24 hours following sex so long as you agree to refrain from killing any starting with the second day.....

Is that possible with your side on this forum?

speaking only for myself, no....I could never be a close friend with anyone who advocated the continuance of legal abortion.....I'm sorry, I just cannot accept the possibility of any humanity in any such person.....

[Kathianne]

It's not a child the day after. It's a fertilized egg that hasn't implanted in the uterus yet.

I think you expect me to alter my deeply held beliefs to adopt yours. That's not going to happen anymore than I'm going to change your beliefs.

I was in a women's group with the pro-life and pro-choice women for YEARS. We never changed each others views but we came to find affection and respect for each other.

Is that possible with your side on this forum?

So? If implanted in uterus, now it's a child? After 3 months? After 6 months? Or are you with Obama that after birth abortions are A-Ok?

http://spectator.org/archives/2012/0...-presidents-pr

[PostmodernProphet]

And you wonder why our conversation won't progress. Your post sounds haughty.

ah, so you've just told me I was so ignorant that I didn't know a sperm wasn't a human being, you've stated it's a common joke among liberals and you're worried that I am the one who is haughty?......

I will forgive you, because you're a liberal, and liberals aren't very bright......perhaps you simply don't know any better......

[Wind Song]

ah, so you've just told me I was so ignorant that I didn't know a sperm wasn't a human being, you've stated it's a common joke among liberals and you're worried that I am the one who is haughty?......

I will forgive you, because you're a liberal, and liberals aren't very bright......perhaps you simply don't know any better......

What if we started over?

You stop calling me stupid and I'll stop springing dumb liberal jokes on you?

[Kathianne]

What if we started over?

You stop calling me stupid and I'll stop springing dumb liberal jokes on you?

and you take back what you said?