Sex workers

[fj1200]

and how does that not happen in porn movies? The actors and actress' are paid to gratify each other. The difference (as point out in the text i quoted) is that the recipient of the gratification/bodily contact is not the same person who is paying for it, a loophole wife enough you could drive a bus full of prostitutes through.

You might could continue reading.

[Noir]

You might could continue reading.

The more i read of that source the more it reinforces what i'm saying.

From the comments section
Question -

So, if porn is legal, can I just have a still camera in the room with a prostitute and that be considered me paying her a modeling fee for my artistic expression. Couldn’t that be a loophole that would turn “prostitution” into “production”? If a model release form were signed, isn’t pretty much anything we do in front of a camera (turned on or not) legal?

Answer

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Dr. Gonzalez</cite> says:

Not exactly, here’s why:
It is not illegal for the director/cameraman to pay both actors to have sex. It is all legal as long as the money is not coming from the person receiving or performing sexual acts between each other.So, I want to have sex with a prostitute, but how can i do it legally? First you have to go through all the model release forms, make sure she’s over 18 etc.. to look even more professional you could have a friend who has small photography business, Here is the trick, you have to hire him or someone who wont snatch you out to hire you to act or perform a sexual scene with a woman.

DONE! This is the only way you can legally have sex with prostitutes PERIOD! oh and by all means have her tested for STD’s and keep the records for gods sake!

So do you have anything specific to quote (other than half a sentence you quoted earlier), which you think i should be reading?

[taft2012]

The crime is solicitation.

You solicited sexual acts. You are a criminal.

[Noir]

The crime is solicitation.

You solicited sexual acts. You are a criminal.

And a porn director does not solicite? (Edit - looking it up, no he isn't, but then neither would I..)

looking into the definition of soliciting - requesting that someone does something unlawful.
Having sex is not illegal.
Someone being paid to be sexually gratified is illegal.
Someone sexually gratifying someone who has not paid (as per my example) is not illegal, therefore not solicitation.

[fj1200]

So do you have anything specific to quote (other than half a sentence you quoted earlier), which you think i should be reading?

The whole thing, but feel free to let me know how your legal theory works in practice.

[revelarts]

your right Noir, they both should be illegal.

[Noir]

your right Noir, they both should be illegal.

Well they should both be legal or illegal, why would you say illegal?

[Noir]

The whole thing, but feel free to let me know how your legal theory works in practice.

Everything i've quoted from the source says the same thing, the judges rules that the 'illegal act' was payment for gratification. Payment without gratification, and gratification without payment are not illegal.

[mundame]

The reason that adult film performers are not “prostitutes,” and why paying people to perform in erotica is legal is discussed in the seminal adult-entertainment case,

Good gracious, what a pun. Intended, I hope.

[revelarts]

Well they should both be legal or illegal, why would you say illegal?

Both are exploitative of women personally and collectively.
Both feed other crimes against women and children.
Both promote unfaithfulness in marriage and the home, the foundation of a solid society.
Both increase the prevalance of STDs in the consumers and general population.

and just as an aside Both are ultimately unfulfilling so they are bad products and false advertising.

And finally God don't like his girls to be prostitutes or paid performance whores.

[Trigg]

It's a state thing, hookers are legal in Nevada outside the city limits.

Honestly Noir, I don't see the difference either. I say make it legal and tax them. Make them get a permit so they come in for testing.

I've never understood why cops waste time on sting operations. It's too much to ask that cops haul in illegals, but a sting operation involving a "hooker" and 5-6 other cops hiding in rooms and following people around somehow isn't a waste of time???????


The only difference I see as far as the law is concerned is porn stars are being paid to act, they are not being paid specifically for the sex they perform.

[Trigg]

Both are exploitative of women personally and collectively.
Both feed other crimes against women and children.
Both promote unfaithfulness in marriage and the home, the foundation of a solid society.
Both increase the prevalance of STDs in the consumers and general population.

and just as an aside Both are ultimately unfulfilling so they are bad products and false advertising.

And finally God don't like his girls to be prostitutes or paid performance whores.

it's called the oldest profession for a reason, it will always be around.

[revelarts]

it's called the oldest profession for a reason, it will always be around.

Murder was around before prostitution but we don't legalize it because it's and old tradition.

[Trigg]

Murder was around before prostitution but we don't legalize it because it's and old tradition.

apples and oranges

[Noir]

Both are exploitative of women personally and collectively.
Both feed other crimes against women and children.
Both promote unfaithfulness in marriage and the home, the foundation of a solid society.
Both increase the prevalance of STDs in the consumers and general population.

and just as an aside Both are ultimately unfulfilling so they are bad products and false advertising.

And finally God don't like his girls to be prostitutes or paid performance whores.

Exploitive - Only if you consider it so, if a woman feels empowered by it, then who are you to say she is exploited. Also interesting that you didn't include men in this statement.
Feeding Crimes - Is a logic loop, it feeds crimes if its illegal, and its illegal because it feeds crimes...
Unfaithfulness - There is no strength in not committing an act you have no ability to do, the strength is in not doing what you can. Also using that logic you would also want alcohol made illegal (drunks are more likey to be unfaithful etc)
STDs/STIs using proper protection you're no more as likey to get an illness than you would from someone you had not paid for sex for.

They may be unfulfilling to you, but then so may be playing golf. And the 'false advertising' in porn is no more false advertising than the last Hollywood war movie you saw.

Finally this is the same God (if he does indeed exist) that told you not to pass judgement?