Military training in streets of America forrrr?

[ConHog]

northcom news interview
In a barely noticed development, a US Army unit is now training for domestic operations under the control of US Army North, the Army service component of Northern Command. An initial news report in the Army Times newspaper last month noted that in addition to emergency response the force “may be called upon to help with civil unrest and crowd control.” The military has since claimed the force will not be used for civil unrest, but questions remain. We speak to Army Col. Michael Boatner, future operations division chief of USNORTHCOM, and Matthew Rothschild, editor of The Progressive magazine. [includes rush transcript]

Guests:
Col. Michael Boatner, Future Operations division chief of USNORTHCOM.

Matthew Rothschild, Editor of The Progressive magazine.




Tuesday, October 7, 2008

http://www.democracynow.org/2008/10/...s_unit_will_be

Rev, this may surprise you but this is why I got out when I did. I did see a possibility that Obama might at some point order American soldiers to fire upon Americans , and I want no part of that.

Not that I believe he's evil and out to take over as military dictator, but rather b/c I can see some doofuses starting a revolt rather than simply voting against the guy and I can see Obama over reacting by using the military.

[revelarts]

Rev, this may surprise you but this is why I got out when I did. I did see a possibility that Obama might at some point order American soldiers to fire upon Americans , and I want no part of that.

Not that I believe he's evil and out to take over as military dictator, but rather b/c I can see some doofuses starting a revolt rather than simply voting against the guy and I can see Obama over reacting by using the military.

that does surprise me,
Not to say your for any of that type of thing, just that it would be apart of your reason to leave.

[red state]

Rev, this may surprise you but this is why I got out when I did. I did see a possibility that Obama might at some point order American soldiers to fire upon Americans , and I want no part of that.

Not that I believe he's evil and out to take over as military dictator, but rather b/c I can see some doofuses starting a revolt rather than simply voting against the guy and I can see Obama over reacting by using the military.

yep...that's my definition of EVIL. Defuse a revolt because of his trampling on our freedoms, dictating everything with the push of a pen and then call on martial law to save his re-election. As with New Orleans during Katrina, the National Guard actually upheld the Constitution for the most part....it was the local liberal authorities who conducted themselves unworthy of their office (or badge). B.O. is extremely evil....which is why he is so secretive and misleading. For some, it took almost 4 years in office to see through. For others (such as myself) the evil was evident IMMEDIATELY! For a few, they will always be lil' libbie loser lemmings and wouldn't know evil or honor if it bit them in the @$$....and it will eventually.

I hadn't thought about it in a while but I'm thinking more and more lately that we may have to drag B.O.'s sorry @$$ out of the White House kicking and screaming like a the boy he is before he turns the keys over. That, my friend is plenty enough reason to REVOLT. Was it not Jefferson who said that occassional revolt is good for the health of our nation? We had and are still paying for the liberal revolt back in the 60's so now it is our turn.

[ConHog]

that does surprise me,
Not to say your for any of that type of thing, just that it would be apart of your reason to leave.

it was a part. small part, but still a part. I'm not sure if I could have accepted an order to fire on US citizens if it was given.

[revelarts]

yep...that's my definition of EVIL. Defuse a revolt because of his trampling on our freedoms, dictating everything with the push of a pen and then call on martial law to save his re-election. As with New Orleans during Katrina, the National Guard actually upheld the Constitution for the most part....it was the local liberal authorities who conducted themselves unworthy of their office (or badge). B.O. is extremely evil....which is why he is so secretive and misleading. For some, it took almost 4 years in office to see through. For others (such as myself) the evil was evident IMMEDIATELY! For a few, they will always be lil' libbie loser lemmings and wouldn't know evil or honor if it bit them in the @$$....and it will eventually.

I hadn't thought about it in a while but I'm thinking more and more lately that we may have to drag B.O.'s sorry @$$ out of the White House kicking and screaming like a the boy he is before he turns the keys over. That, my friend is plenty enough reason to REVOLT. Was it not Jefferson who said that occassional revolt is good for the health of our nation? We had and are still paying for the liberal revolt back in the 60's so now it is our turn.

Frankly I think a armed revolt would play into the oligarchs hands. and give an excuse to put the country on lock down. the only people to be hurt would be military police and armed civilians and bystanders.
the Congressmen, senators, buracrats, fat cat bankers, heads of all the agencies, and corporations will hunker down an wait for the smoke to clear and try to get back on the horse again.

IMO there's not critical mass of people yet that know what going on. there needs to be a Sizable hunk of the police and military on board as well as other citizenry before a major shift can happen outside of the ballot boxes. If enough people revolted in the sense that we did several general strikes, like No we are not Going to pay X tax, we are not going to arrest people for X. w are not going to take peoples Guns. We are not going to comply with X regulation. And as police and judges we will not Enforce X law the congress does not have the Authority. We will not deploy to Country X the order is illegal.

And if a few brave and honest judges, juries and state prosecutors managed to put a few feds in jail for illegal activity that has affected their state that would help to.

In my wishful imagination few push backs along that line would shake the "leadership" to it's core. and let them know who they are working for.

[red state]

I agree, I was merely stating what will need to be done IF and when B.O. refuses to turn the keys over or tries to do what the New Orleans mayor did during Katrina. We should have SHOUTED aloud for what "THEY" did to the good people of New Orleans but nothing was heard about it and our media is much to blame.

Frankly I think a armed revolt would play into the oligarchs hands. and give an excuse to put the country on lock down. the only people to be hurt would be military police and armed civilians and bystanders.
the Congressmen, senators, buracrats, fat cat bankers, heads of all the agencies, and corporations will hunker down an wait for the smoke to clear and try to get back on the horse again.

IMO there's not critical mass of people yet that know what going on. there needs to be a Sizable hunk of the police and military on board as well as other citizenry before a major shift can happen outside of the ballot boxes. If enough people revolted in the sense that we did several general strikes, like No we are not Going to pay X tax, we are not going to arrest people for X. w are not going to take peoples Guns. We are not going to comply with X regulation. And as police and judges we will not Enforce X law the congress does not have the Authority. We will not deploy to Country X the order is illegal.

And if a few brave and honest judges, juries and state prosecutors managed to put a few feds in jail for illegal activity that has affected their state that would help to.

In my wishful imagination few push backs along that line would shake the "leadership" to it's core. and let them know who they are working for.

[red state]

Rev., Check out Oathkeepers...I think you and the members here who have "honorably" served in the military or our justice system will be interested in checking them out or supporting them.

[gabosaurus]

Rev, this may surprise you but this is why I got out when I did. I did see a possibility that Obama might at some point order American soldiers to fire upon Americans , and I want no part of that.

Geez, what president would ever been stupid enough to approve something like that?

I agree, I was merely stating what will need to be done IF and when B.O. refuses to turn the keys over or tries to do what the New Orleans mayor did during Katrina. We should have SHOUTED aloud for what "THEY" did to the good people of New Orleans but nothing was heard about it and our media is much to blame.

What a twisted and revisionist memory you have about Katrina.
Dems spent a lot of time worrying about what to do if Dubya refused to abdicate. Nothing ever came of it.

[fj1200]

Geez, what president would ever been stupid enough to approve something like that?

So, Nixon approved Kent State? Who knew?

[ConHog]

So, Nixon approved Kent State? Who knew?

It certainly would be news to Nixon that he approved sending in the Ohio National Guard.

[ConHog]

Geez, what president would ever been stupid enough to approve something like that?






What a twisted and revisionist memory you have about Katrina.
Dems spent a lot of time worrying about what to do if Dubya refused to abdicate. Nothing ever came of it.

I know you can read Gabby, so therefor I KNOW that you have read my posts where I have said that it is idiotic to believe that Obama won't move aside when his time is up. Of course he will.

[red state]

Geez, what president would ever been stupid enough to approve something like that?



What a twisted and revisionist memory you have about Katrina.
Dems spent a lot of time worrying about what to do if Dubya refused to abdicate. Nothing ever came of it.

Nothing twisted or inaccurate about my recollection of history: Law abiding citizens were stripped of their guns while thugs, rapist, theives and murderers did what they pleased in "safety areas of relocation".

Reminds me of the fires, violence, property destruction and UNLAWFUL mob activity that the scum at Kent were part of....or the rape, drugs, and $#!TTING on cars with destruction of property that went on during almost EVERY ORGANIZED 'occupy' movement. Yeah...my recollection is twisted about as much as your ethics and reality of things are honorable or accurate. Just another follower of the Occupier/Organizer we have in the White House!

[red state]

I wonder how many of these scum spat upon our soldiers coming back from Vietnam? Most of these soldiers at that time of the war were DRAFTED, yet these scum usually claimed to be protesting the DRAFT...were they so stupid that they didn't realize that they were spitting on the very victims that they hoped to avoid. Did they not realize that is was not a Republican (or NIXON) who introduced the Draft? No....because like MOST of today's lil' libbie loser lemmings, they are pure-D-Stupid!!!

Fact is, the draft that most hippies protested was put into place by LBJ. Like most liberals in office, LBJ did this a month before he knew that he'd be out of office. I hate to say this but the protest of babies being killed by OUR "baby killers" was not the reason for hippies and other loser bums protesting...it was their cowardly, "passive" character. There were many who didn't believe we should be there BUT they did their best and served honorably ANYWAY! Another fact that should really make your @$$ itch is this: in 1973, the draft ended and the U.S. converted to an All-Volunteer military. Who was president in '73? You need a hint? OK...I'll take it for granted that you know that one so I'll ask you another question: Which president announced an amnesty for draft evaders? I'm not going to do your homework for you or provide links....you need to learn history for yourself [NOT spout off your own 'PERSONAL' history]. That alone is what is wrong with most liberals...they simply regurgitate that same ole mis-informed/ill-informed rhetoric.

Look, I believe we should not have been in Vietnam and I don't believe we should be in ANY muSLUM nation right now. After 911, we should have stationed 30% of our troops on the borders and CONTROLLED the border as a war zone because that is EXACTLY what it is. We don't need troops (ours or foreign) in our towns (especially heartland towns) when we can get plenty of practice (REAL PRACTICE) on our borders!!!

[Tyr-Ziu Saxnot]

Originally Posted by ConHog
Rev, this may surprise you but this is why I got out when I did. I did see a possibility that Obama might at some point order American soldiers to fire upon Americans , and I want no part of that.

Not that I believe he's evil and out to take over as military dictator, but rather b/c I can see some doofuses starting a revolt rather than simply voting against the guy and I can see Obama over reacting by using the military.

yep...that's my definition of EVIL. Defuse a revolt because of his trampling on our freedoms, dictating everything with the push of a pen and then call on martial law to save his re-election. As with New Orleans during Katrina, the National Guard actually upheld the Constitution for the most part....it was the local liberal authorities who conducted themselves unworthy of their office (or badge). B.O. is extremely evil....which is why he is so secretive and misleading. For some, it took almost 4 years in office to see through. For others (such as myself) the evil was evident IMMEDIATELY! For a few, they will always be lil' libbie loser lemmings and wouldn't know evil or honor if it bit them in the @$$....and it will eventually.

I hadn't thought about it in a while but I'm thinking more and more lately that we may have to drag B.O.'s sorry @$$ out of the White House kicking and screaming like a the boy he is before he turns the keys over. That, my friend is plenty enough reason to REVOLT. Was it not Jefferson who said that occassional revolt is good for the health of our nation? We had and are still paying for the liberal revolt back in the 60's so now it is our turn.

BO will not go gracefully. He sees himself as a Revoluntionary Godlike figure hellbent on correcting America's evil character.
He is a true believer in his magnificent and majestic destiny!
Remember that, --HE "WILL BE MORE FLEXIBLE AFTER THE ELECTION", COMRADE.
THAT ONE OFFGUARD STATEMENT SHOULD BE SCARING THE LIVING HELL OUT OF ALL THE CITIZENS YET IT BARELY EVEN REGISTERED A SMALL BLIP ON THEIR SCREENS AND IS FORGOTTEN OR ITS IMPORTANCE SCOFFED AT NOW BY 95% OF THOSE THAT EVEN HEARD OF IT AT ALL!--Tyr

[red state]

BO will not go gracefully. He sees himself as a Revoluntionary Godlike figure hellbent on correcting America's evil character.
He is a true believer in his magnificent and majestic destiny!
Remember that, --HE "WILL BE MORE FLEXIBLE AFTER THE ELECTION", COMRADE.
THAT ONE OFFGUARD STATEMENT SHOULD BE SCARING THE LIVING HELL OUT OF ALL THE CITIZENS YET IT BARELY EVEN REGISTERED A SMALL BLIP ON THEIR SCREENS AND IS FORGOTTEN OR ITS IMPORTANCE SCOFFED AT NOW BY 95% OF THOSE THAT EVEN HEARD OF IT AT ALL!--Tyr

Yep...there's NOTHING graceful or honorable about this ONE. Tyre, the FREE stuff, at the WEALTHY people's expense, is a very big "blip in the screens" that many can't keep their eyes off of. The voice of liberals haunt me. Famous quotes such as the one below (which is my personal favorite right now).

“Education is a WEAPON whose effects depend on who holds it in his hands and at whom it is aimed.” No, libs have it wrong/LEFT, as usual, because TRUE and well balanced education is a SHIELD to protect against those who would re-write history and the libs are notorious at re-writing history!!

“We don't let them have ideas. Why would we let them have guns?” YES, a free society is an armed, protected and independent society that does not fear to express opinion, or detest to the abuses of gov. or is limited to the safety that gov. so inadequately provides.

or how about this one.... "the only thing we have have to fear is fear itself." What kind of statement is that after folks are starving, banks are failing and leaders such as Roosevelt extend the crisis (just as B.O. is doing today during our current crisis). Don't get me wrong...I'm no Bush lover at all because he was nothing more than a politically correct, corrupter of the Constitution who was weak on the border. But in comparing Bush II to Bush III (the ONE currently "occupying" the White House) is similar to comparing George's castor oil with honey to a solid heaping dose of just plain ole nasty Castor Oil...and a lot of it! They both taste terrible but the latter is simply unbearable (if you're a REAL American that is....some like the taste Obama castor oil or, for a better analogy, Obama turd sandwiches on rye). No, with or without mustard, we much more to fear than fear itself. Roosevelt, who was left of center was a big reason that we have much of the problems of today and with B.O. being extremely LEFT, having NO center AT ALL, I fear it possible to see him 'serve' 12, 20 or 40 years (by the stroke of the executive privilege pen). The only difference in what Roosevelt did, when he legally broke an honorable tradition started by the GREAT GENERAL WASHINGTON, and what B.O. may do is that B.O. will do it illegally with the invention of millions of new and instant voters. In addition, B.O. has purposely ruined business, prolonged the agony of our economy and has more hoards at his disposal who are eager to accept B.O.'s lies in exchange for free stuff (NOT FREEDOM).

The only thing good that came our of Roosevelt's administration was his taking the advice of his generals and dropping the 'BIG ONE' on Hiroshima and Nagasaki. The same could be said for B.O.'s allowing the S.E.A.L.s to take out the pirates and that SOB OBL! Still, both calls way back then, as well as recently, were NO-BRAINERs!!! The bad thing with both is that we have a much bigger gov. and less and less freedom. We also have less prosperity with the chosen one and to be perfectly honest, people do not feel as safe as they once did. Now that we have only two branches of gov., I see only one branch if this "chosen one" is not stopped.

Both FDR and our current, long named president [Barack 'Berry' Hussein Obama Soetoro] are dangerously close to what could have been or could very well be a dictatorship...or worse! Just as in Roosevelt's period (a crucial period in American history), Americans were all to eager to abandon the principles of economic, religious and individual liberty which our nation was founded upon. Just before FDR, we had been experimenting with socialism but not to the extent that Roosevelt implemented with welfare, abusive government, and limits to trade/business. After FDR, we continued our search of One Nation Under FREE stuff rather than One Nation Under GOD and we're dearly paying for it. This new system did much to hamper or outright replace the AMERICAN way of life which had existed up to that time. The "welfare" before then was Americans helping Americans through churches and even perfect strangers. Good or bad, Roosevelt would have been our first socialist president (and possibly our last president had his health and our representatives not did something to fix this problem. I would very much like to see our Supreme Court have term limits (AFTER BEING VOTED IN TO SERVE) because we have seen how un-elected or multi-terms serve us. Once again, and for almost ALL issues, our founding fathers were truly wise in their warnings:

[When voters discover a way to VOTE themselves into prosperity at the expense of others,
that will herald the end of our Great Republic.]

I fear that we've reached our final destination an confirmed Ben Franklin correct once again.