Terror How many and who dunit

[jafar00]

The obvious problem here, is that high ranking Muslims don't condemn such actions. Sure, there's lip service, but no real outrage like any other civilized religious leaders would do to weed out the weirdos. By their silence and the occasional half-hearted disclaimers, they are giving the idiots a pat on the back.

You say that because you haven't been listening to us. I suppose it has something to do with the fact that peaceful Muslims who speak out against terrorism don't get as much free publicity as terrorists, but look elsewhere in this forum where I have posted a lot of condemnations of terrorism from Islamic leaders and others. Or google it.

Where is Jaffar?

Cairo, Egypt. Just arrived yesterday.

jafar Doesn't PLAY anything. He's too busy DEFENDING against everything "Super Man" fights.

Ramadan is one excuse. Riots in Syria, or Egypt are another.

What riots in Egypt? More to the point, what riots in Syria? They have a full blown civil war that passed the point of simple demonstrations long ago.

[jimnyc]

You say that because you haven't been listening to us. I suppose it has something to do with the fact that peaceful Muslims who speak out against terrorism don't get as much free publicity as terrorists, but look elsewhere in this forum where I have posted a lot of condemnations of terrorism from Islamic leaders and others. Or google it

You know what I think would really make people take notice? Just like all the other world leaders banding together to fight terrorism, I don't know why so many Islamic leaders don't do the same. Have non-stop meetings on terrorism and setup task forces, and put various military into action. All Islamic countries should be working together, publicly, and showing the world they have as much of a desire as everyone else to catch those committing these atrocities.

Like NT said, I see a little lip service here and there, and statements about how these terrorists aren't real Muslims and all the other usual crap - but I really don't see any pro-active actions being taken by them to help put an end to this. I see more Islamic leaders wanting to kill their own citizens than they do terrorists.

[Kathianne]

You know what I think would really make people take notice? Just like all the other world leaders banding together to fight terrorism, I don't know why so many Islamic leaders don't do the same. Have non-stop meetings on terrorism and setup task forces, and put various military into action. All Islamic countries should be working together, publicly, and showing the world they have as much of a desire as everyone else to catch those committing these atrocities.

Like NT said, I see a little lip service here and there, and statements about how these terrorists aren't real Muslims and all the other usual crap - but I really don't see any pro-active actions being taken by them to help put an end to this. I see more Islamic leaders wanting to kill their own citizens than they do terrorists.

Yep, and while 'leadership' is few and far between, I'm much more concerned about the product of that leadership, the masses. They 'understand' the terrorists, though they wouldn't partake in terrorism themselves.

[Drummond]

BAD BEHAVIOUR ??!???

Is this your sense of humour surfacing, revelarts ?



Mind you .. I suppose you have a point. The terrorists who killed and maimed during the 7/7 attack in London, for example, couldn't be said to have been 'on their best behaviour' that day ... !!!!

As for your thinking that some of these 'don't fit' (whatever that means) .. or that some are no more significant than 'mob violence' .. well, unless the mobs consisted of Al Qaeda terrorists, you should really think again.

Why did you not post the link my text quoted from ? I actually DID post the link at the time, so why omit it subsequently ?

HERE'S THE LINK ... >>>

http://www.infoplease.com/ipa/A0884893.html

It's entitled ...

'Major Terrorist Acts Suspected of or Inspired by al-Qaeda'

Now, why would you omit that, revelarts ?

.. and, where is 'revelarts' .. ??

No response from this character, since I pointed out (a) his omission of the 'infoplease' link I posted within the rest of the original post he selectively reproduced, and (b) my pointing out that the link, therefore all I quoted from it, came under the heading ...

'Major Terrorist Acts Suspected of or Inspired by al-Qaeda'

[jafar00]

You know what I think would really make people take notice? Just like all the other world leaders banding together to fight terrorism, I don't know why so many Islamic leaders don't do the same. Have non-stop meetings on terrorism and setup task forces, and put various military into action. All Islamic countries should be working together, publicly, and showing the world they have as much of a desire as everyone else to catch those committing these atrocities.

Like NT said, I see a little lip service here and there, and statements about how these terrorists aren't real Muslims and all the other usual crap - but I really don't see any pro-active actions being taken by them to help put an end to this. I see more Islamic leaders wanting to kill their own citizens than they do terrorists.

Since Mosques don't generally have armies or police forces, isn't your suggestion impossible?

Mosques are places of worship and education, not government.

[Kathianne]

Since Mosques don't generally have armies or police forces, isn't your suggestion impossible?

Mosques are places of worship and education, not government.

Our problem regarding too many mosques, in our country, Europe, the ME, actually world-wide, is what they are 'educating' the worshippers about. Nearly all the Islamic terrorists that have been caught or identified, have been 'deeply religious.' Now you might rightly argue that isn't what the Koran teaches, however somehow these folks, from widely scattered mosques, came to the same conclusions that indeed, that is what the Koran teaches.

[jimnyc]

Since Mosques don't generally have armies or police forces, isn't your suggestion impossible?

Mosques are places of worship and education, not government.

Where did I speak of a mosque in the post you quoted? I'm speaking of countries, leaders, military, police... Is it impossible for leaders of these nations, and their military, and intel agencies.. is it impossible for them to band together like every other civilized nation and fight terrorism on a grand scale? Apparently it is.

[NightTrain]

Where did I speak of a mosque in the post you quoted? I'm speaking of countries, leaders, military, police... Is it impossible for leaders of these nations, and their military, and intel agencies.. is it impossible for them to band together like every other civilized nation and fight terrorism on a grand scale? Apparently it is.

Exactly right, Jim. All it would take would be for one or two civilized leaders in any of those Middle East countries to stand up and rail against the barbarism that the peasants regularly engage in, condemn it, make their security forces ACTIVELY weed out the radicals and educate the masses that it's not okay to continue to live in the 4th century.

I think the real roadblock to this solution is avoiding being kidnapped and having his head sawed off on video for his troubles... I'm pretty sure that any leader would instantly have thousands of peaceful muslim subjects screaming for blood and it would get real ugly for him personally.

[Tyr-Ziu Saxnot]

Since Mosques don't generally have armies or police forces, isn't your suggestion impossible?

Mosques are places of worship and education, not government.

Exactly the education part that has been teaching the use of violence, as in Jihad, is ordained by Allah!! You know this and you also know that terrorists come from every muslim nation so how are they all coming up with the same Islamic religious justification for their murdering ways? I think that you duck, dodge, weave, slip, slide and SPIN a bit to much to be as naive about this as your answers let on!-Tyr

[aboutime]

Exactly the education part that has been teaching the use of violence, as in Jihad, is ordained by Allah!! You know this and you also know that terrorists come from every muslim nation so how are they all coming up with the same Islamic religious justification for their murdering ways? I think that you duck, dodge, weave, slip, slide and SPIN a bit to much to be as naive about this as your answers let on!-Tyr

Tyr. Have you, or others noticed how jafar makes so many claims of how great being a Muslim is, and is enjoying how the new Mosques are popping up....where Religion is the only Intended reason for being there? While he never, ever mentions how...like several schools in Virginia...are dedicated to the Teachings of Muslim children...HOW TO HATE Americans like You, and Me. Teaching them the techniques prescribed by people like OBL, who preached that INFIDELS like you, and me needed to be beheaded, and called the enemies of those children.

Guess nobody wants to talk with jafar about such things. However. I am not afraid, nor will I be intimidated by anyone who practices, and teaches hatred for the sake of a phony claim of PEACE.

[Kathianne]

Our problem regarding too many mosques, in our country, Europe, the ME, actually world-wide, is what they are 'educating' the worshippers about. Nearly all the Islamic terrorists that have been caught or identified, have been 'deeply religious.' Now you might rightly argue that isn't what the Koran teaches, however somehow these folks, from widely scattered mosques, came to the same conclusions that indeed, that is what the Koran teaches.

Since Mosques don't generally have armies or police forces, isn't your suggestion impossible?

Mosques are places of worship and education, not government.

I'm bumping, no answer from Jafar.