Al Qaeda in Syria??

[Voted4Reagan]

A large proportion of Syrians are Sufis and would never fall in bed with the hated wahhabi sect of Al Qaeda.

No... just HAMAS and Hezbollah....

as if they arent enough.... but I believe that Al Qaeda has made inroads there... they exist in all Islamic Countries in some form or another....

[Tyr-Ziu Saxnot]

Political parties will lend their names to anyone who will give them money or vote for them.

As if the muslims can be bought off (duped) that easily! Why do you continue to ignore the great example of Britain and the disaster that the muslim influence in politics has yielded there ? They gave money there and bought power with money, threats and violence. You act as if we are above being bribed, scared and swayed by threats of violence , appeasement to placate them etc. Or you take the stand that we can not change their agenda(they are too powerful) so why even try? Snarky comments and expressions of futility do not cut it with some of us that have no desire to see our children and grandchildren dead or slaves to a bunch of fanatical azzwipes not worth the cost of a piece of lead ! Either you really are a Chamberlain type or else you just give a good performance at acting like the man? Saying we have no hope of stopping them doesnt cut it amigo. That defeatist attitude would have had us speaking jap and/or german right now had others took it in the not too distant past.-Tyr

[Dilloduck]

As if the muslims can be bought off (duped) that easily! Why do you continue to ignore the great example of Britain and the disaster that the muslim influence in politics has yielded there ? They gave money there and bought power with money, threats and violence. You act as if we are above being bribed, scared and swayed by threats of violence , appeasement to placate them etc. Or you take the stand that we can not change their agenda(they are too powerful) so why even try? Snarky comments and expressions of futility do not cut it with some of us that have no desire to see our children and grandchildren dead or slaves to a bunch of fanatical azzwipes not worth the cost of a piece of lead ! Either you really are a Chamberlain type or else you just give a good performance at acting like the man? Saying we have no hope of stopping them doesnt cut it amigo. That defeatist attitude would have had us speaking jap and/or german right now had others took it in the not too distant past.-Tyr

I see you still have no credible plan to stop the growth of Islam.

[Tyr-Ziu Saxnot]

I see you still have no credible plan to stop the growth of Islam.

Giving away such secrets would be folly indeed. Dont have to stop its growth if we change its agenda.
Im for doing both if need be. But first we need to teach them that dire consequences wil be reaped if they continue on with their murdering ways. I'd say just two nukes would do the trick forever .
One on Mecca and one on Medina. Yessir, not a peep from them worldwide after that.
At least not for another couple thousand year IMHO..-Tyr

[Dilloduck]

Giving away such secrets would be folly indeed. Dont have to stop its growth if we change its agenda.
Im for doing both if need be. But first we need to teach them that dire consequences wil be reaped if they continue on with their murdering ways. I'd say just two nukes would do the trick forever .
One on Mecca and one on Medina. Yessir, not a peep from them worldwide after that.
At least not for another couple thousand year IMHO..-Tyr

You'd have better luck shootin at em with your feet.

[jafar00]

One on Mecca and one on Medina. Yessir, not a peep from them worldwide after that.
At least not for another couple thousand year IMHO..-Tyr

Well, if you want a self fulfilling prophecy where Islam really is your enemy, go ahead. I dare say that nuking two holy cities would instantly create 1.5 billion new enemies for you to deal with. You would be overwhelmed.

[Tyr-Ziu Saxnot]

Well, if you want a self fulfilling prophecy where Islam really is your enemy, go ahead. I dare say that nuking two holy cities would instantly create 1.5 billion new enemies for you to deal with. You would be overwhelmed.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Tours

Battle of Tours
Part of the Islamic invasion of Gaul
Date October 732
Location Near Tours, France
Result Decisive Frankish victory

Belligerents
Merovingian Franks Umayyad Caliphate
Commanders and leaders
Charles Martel ‘Abdul Rahman Al Ghafiqi †
Strength
varying estimates 15,000–20,000, although other estimates range from 20,000 to 30,000 [1] 20,000-30,000, Primary Sources 300,000–400,000 with many at 300 000 but are considered exaggerated, .[1]
Casualties and losses
1500 375,000, notably Abdul Rahman Al Ghafiqi[2]
[show]v ·t ·eIslamic invasion of Gaul

Toulouse (721) ·River Garonne (732) ·Tours (732) ·Avignon (737) ·Narbonne (737) ·River Berre (737) ·Nîmes (737) ·Narbonne (752–759)

The Battle of Tours (October 732),[3] also called the Battle of Poitiers and in Arabic: معركة بلاط الشهداء‎ (ma‘arakat Balâṭ ash-Shuhadâ - Battle of the Court of the Martyrs),[4] was fought in an area between the cities of Poitiers and Tours, in north-central France, near the village of Moussais-la-Bataille, about 20 kilometres (12 mi) northeast of Poitiers. The location of the battle was close to the border between the Frankish realm and then-independent Aquitaine. The battle pitted Frankish and Burgundian[5][6] forces under Austrasian Mayor of the Palace Charles Martel, against an army of the Umayyad Caliphate led by ‘Abdul Rahman Al Ghafiqi, Governor-General of al-Andalus. The Franks were victorious, ‘Abdul Rahman Al Ghafiqi was killed, and Charles subsequently extended his authority in the south. Ninth-century chroniclers, who interpreted the outcome of the battle as divine judgment in his favour, gave Charles the nickname Martellus ("The Hammer"), possibly recalling Judas Maccabeus ("The Hammerer") of the Maccabean revolt.[7][8] Details of the battle, including its exact location and the exact number of combatants, cannot be determined from accounts that have survived. Notably, the Frankish troops won the battle without cavalry.[9]

Later Christian chroniclers and pre-20th century historians praised Charles Martel as the champion of Christianity, characterizing the battle as the decisive turning point in the struggle against Islam, a struggle which preserved Christianity as the religion of Europe; according to modern military historian Victor Davis Hanson, "most of the 18th and 19th century historians, like Gibbon, saw Poitiers (Tours), as a landmark battle that marked the high tide of the Muslim advance into Europe."[10] Leopold von Ranke felt that "Poitiers was the turning point of one of the most important epochs in the history of the world."[11]

Other modern historians[who?], by contrast, are divided over the battle's importance, and considerable disagreement exists as to whether the victory was responsible — as Gibbon and his generation of historians claimed, and which is echoed by many modern historians — for saving Christianity and halting the conquest of Europe by Islam. However, there is little dispute that the battle helped lay the foundations of the Carolingian Empire and Frankish domination of Europe for the next century. Most historians agree that "the establishment of Frankish power in western Europe shaped that continent's destiny and the Battle of Tours confirmed that power."[12]



^^^^^ Least you forget the Battle of Poitiers, which Christians won , stopped the muslim advance , saved Europe and we've had over a thousand years since Islam tried to conquer the world. Which proves a point, beat their ass right and they'll get the message! Nuke and obliterate their two holy cities Mecca and Medina, they'll get the damn message yet again! Charles Martel destroyed over (est.) 80,00 muslim fightes with only (est.)30,000 troops under his command, infantry stood up against calvary and won decisively! The muslims limped away wondering why the hell Allah had let them down, let them be destroyed like dogs! Thats because Allah was defeated before man was ever birthed! The scourge of the world--Islam + Allah --was stopped by a mere 30,000 infidels , put that in your pipe and smoke it pedro. If we nuked those two supposed holy cities we would have a billion idiots wondering how/why Allah let them down! If I had my hand on the launch button it would have been done at least a decade ago! -Tyr

Here is another link
http://www.crf-usa.org/bill-of-right...ests-in-europe

Only a few accounts of the battle were written down at the time. A Frankish chronicle related that Charles "rushed in against them," perhaps indicating that he also used cavalry. "With Christ's help," the chronicle says, "he overturned their tents, and hastened to battle to grind them small in slaughter." The Muslims may have turned from battle to protect their families and loot-filled tents. In the confusion, Abd ar-Rahman was speared to death. Charles did not pursue the Muslims as they burned and plundered their way back to Iberia. The Battle of Tours came to be known in the West as the great battle that stopped the Muslim advance. Muslim forces continued to mount raids north of the Pyrenees. These raids only ended after 740, when the Berbers revolted in Iberia and North Africa.

Charles continued warring against his Frankish rivals, but with the added glory as the savior of Christendom. Charles was later given the name Martel, meaning "The Hammer." His grandson, Charles the Great (Charlemagne), finally unified most of Western Europe under his rule. The Muslims, however, remained in Iberia for another 700 years. Their influence on the country remains today. The Spanish language contains many words derived from Arabic, e.g., alcalde (mayor), azúcar (sugar), café (coffee), chisme (gossip), hasta (until), ricón (corner), and cero (zero). Many Spanish buildings show the influence of Islamic architecture, which Spain brought to the New World and can be seen throughout Latin America and the Southwestern United States.

In 1492, the same year as Columbus' voyage to the New World, Christians finally reconquered all of Spain. They expelled the Jews and Muslims who refused to convert to Christianity.

[Dilloduck]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Tours

Battle of Tours
Part of the Islamic invasion of Gaul
Date October 732
Location Near Tours, France
Result Decisive Frankish victory

Belligerents
Merovingian Franks Umayyad Caliphate
Commanders and leaders
Charles Martel ‘Abdul Rahman Al Ghafiqi †
Strength
varying estimates 15,000–20,000, although other estimates range from 20,000 to 30,000 [1] 20,000-30,000, Primary Sources 300,000–400,000 with many at 300 000 but are considered exaggerated, .[1]
Casualties and losses
1500 375,000, notably Abdul Rahman Al Ghafiqi[2]
[show]v ·t ·eIslamic invasion of Gaul

Toulouse (721) ·River Garonne (732) ·Tours (732) ·Avignon (737) ·Narbonne (737) ·River Berre (737) ·Nîmes (737) ·Narbonne (752–759)

The Battle of Tours (October 732),[3] also called the Battle of Poitiers and in Arabic: معركة بلاط الشهداء‎ (ma‘arakat Balâṭ ash-Shuhadâ - Battle of the Court of the Martyrs),[4] was fought in an area between the cities of Poitiers and Tours, in north-central France, near the village of Moussais-la-Bataille, about 20 kilometres (12 mi) northeast of Poitiers. The location of the battle was close to the border between the Frankish realm and then-independent Aquitaine. The battle pitted Frankish and Burgundian[5][6] forces under Austrasian Mayor of the Palace Charles Martel, against an army of the Umayyad Caliphate led by ‘Abdul Rahman Al Ghafiqi, Governor-General of al-Andalus. The Franks were victorious, ‘Abdul Rahman Al Ghafiqi was killed, and Charles subsequently extended his authority in the south. Ninth-century chroniclers, who interpreted the outcome of the battle as divine judgment in his favour, gave Charles the nickname Martellus ("The Hammer"), possibly recalling Judas Maccabeus ("The Hammerer") of the Maccabean revolt.[7][8] Details of the battle, including its exact location and the exact number of combatants, cannot be determined from accounts that have survived. Notably, the Frankish troops won the battle without cavalry.[9]

Later Christian chroniclers and pre-20th century historians praised Charles Martel as the champion of Christianity, characterizing the battle as the decisive turning point in the struggle against Islam, a struggle which preserved Christianity as the religion of Europe; according to modern military historian Victor Davis Hanson, "most of the 18th and 19th century historians, like Gibbon, saw Poitiers (Tours), as a landmark battle that marked the high tide of the Muslim advance into Europe."[10] Leopold von Ranke felt that "Poitiers was the turning point of one of the most important epochs in the history of the world."[11]

Other modern historians[who?], by contrast, are divided over the battle's importance, and considerable disagreement exists as to whether the victory was responsible — as Gibbon and his generation of historians claimed, and which is echoed by many modern historians — for saving Christianity and halting the conquest of Europe by Islam. However, there is little dispute that the battle helped lay the foundations of the Carolingian Empire and Frankish domination of Europe for the next century. Most historians agree that "the establishment of Frankish power in western Europe shaped that continent's destiny and the Battle of Tours confirmed that power."[12]



^^^^^ Least you forget the Battle of Poitiers, which Christians won , stopped the muslim advance , saved Europe and we've had over a thousand years since Islam tried to conquer the world. Which proves a point, beat their ass right and they'll get the message! Nuke and obliterate their two holy cities Mecca and Medina, they'll get the damn message yet again! Charles Martel destroyed over (est.) 80,00 muslim fightes with only (est.)30,000 troops under his command, infantry stood up against calvary and won decisively! The muslims limped away wondering why the hell Allah had let them down, let them be destroyed like dogs! Thats because Allah was defeated before man was ever birthed! The scourge of the world--Islam + Allah --was stopped by a mere 30,000 infidels , put that in your pipe and smoke it pedro. If we nuked those two supposed holy cities we would have a billion idiots wondering how/why Allah let them down! If I had my hand on the launch button it would have been done at least a decade ago! -Tyr

Here is another link
http://www.crf-usa.org/bill-of-right...ests-in-europe

Only a few accounts of the battle were written down at the time. A Frankish chronicle related that Charles "rushed in against them," perhaps indicating that he also used cavalry. "With Christ's help," the chronicle says, "he overturned their tents, and hastened to battle to grind them small in slaughter." The Muslims may have turned from battle to protect their families and loot-filled tents. In the confusion, Abd ar-Rahman was speared to death. Charles did not pursue the Muslims as they burned and plundered their way back to Iberia. The Battle of Tours came to be known in the West as the great battle that stopped the Muslim advance. Muslim forces continued to mount raids north of the Pyrenees. These raids only ended after 740, when the Berbers revolted in Iberia and North Africa.

Charles continued warring against his Frankish rivals, but with the added glory as the savior of Christendom. Charles was later given the name Martel, meaning "The Hammer." His grandson, Charles the Great (Charlemagne), finally unified most of Western Europe under his rule. The Muslims, however, remained in Iberia for another 700 years. Their influence on the country remains today. The Spanish language contains many words derived from Arabic, e.g., alcalde (mayor), azúcar (sugar), café (coffee), chisme (gossip), hasta (until), ricón (corner), and cero (zero). Many Spanish buildings show the influence of Islamic architecture, which Spain brought to the New World and can be seen throughout Latin America and the Southwestern United States.

In 1492, the same year as Columbus' voyage to the New World, Christians finally reconquered all of Spain. They expelled the Jews and Muslims who refused to convert to Christianity.

and this is relevent to today's reality somehow ?

[Tyr-Ziu Saxnot]

and this is relevent to today's reality somehow ?

Your abject failure to make the connection does not shock me in the least. I'm used to it now.
Apparently dazed and confused are two states that you live in , eh?-
Obama says you have 55 more to go..55+2= 57.. -Tyr

[Drummond]

I see you still have no credible plan to stop the growth of Islam.

And you do ?

Really ?

[Drummond]

and this is relevent to today's reality somehow ?

Actually, note the last part of Tyr's piece, and its reference to Spain.

Did you know that, following Al Qaeda's attack on the Atosha railway station, Al Q followed it up with a suggested deal offering a cessation of terrorism in Spain, one of their conditions being to hand the Andalucia region of Spain back to Islamic hands.

Needless to say, they were ignored. However, it just goes to show how rooted in history Al Qaeda is, when it chooses to be. So ... there y'go !

[Drummond]

Well, if you want a self fulfilling prophecy where Islam really is your enemy, go ahead. I dare say that nuking two holy cities would instantly create 1.5 billion new enemies for you to deal with. You would be overwhelmed.

Sorry, I'm not following. Was the 9/11 attack a 'self fulfilling prophesy' turned to fact ? Or, maybe, the perpetrators were Christian, or maybe Buddhists ?

Or, maybe, Islamists perpetrated it as their way of saying 'hello' to America in as friendly a fashion as they could manage ?

Tell me, Jafar, just how far do Muslim terrorists have to go, before apologists for them finally run out of history-revisionist pap ???

[Dilloduck]

Sorry, I'm not following. Was the 9/11 attack a 'self fulfilling prophesy' turned to fact ? Or, maybe, the perpetrators were Christian, or maybe Buddhists ?

Or, maybe, Islamists perpetrated it as their way of saying 'hello' to America in as friendly a fashion as they could manage ?

Tell me, Jafar, just how far do Muslim terrorists have to go, before apologists for them finally run out of history-revisionist pap ???

Mr Drum old buddy---you're getting daft. If anyone decides to attack another country I think you are assured that it is a good chance that it will retaliate as surely as America retaliated for 9/11. Attack the cities that are important to Islam and you can be assured they will respond like we did.

[Drummond]

Mr Drum old buddy---you're getting daft. If anyone decides to attack another country I think you are assured that it is a good chance that it will retaliate as surely as America retaliated for 9/11. Attack the cities that are important to Islam and you can be assured they will respond like we did.

So, where are you going with this ?

Are you saying ... never attack a belligerent power, say, one threatening genocide against another Nation State ?

Are you saying ... never act as a meaningful ally, a fully supportive ally, when that ally receives such a threat, and faces the prospect of its becoming reality ?

Are you saying ... just, basically, sit on your hands, do nothing, get to within a whisker of effectively surrendering to belligerents ?

Or .. are you saying .. just foist YOUR battles, YOUR problems, on to others, adopt a classic ostrich pose, and react with amazement if or when the world perceives you as the most unreliable ally seen in modern times ?

[Tyr-Ziu Saxnot]

Actually, note the last part of Tyr's piece, and its reference to Spain.

Did you know that, following Al Qaeda's attack on the Atosha railway station, Al Q followed it up with a suggested deal offering a cessation of terrorism in Spain, one of their conditions being to hand the Andalucia region of Spain back to Islamic hands.

Needless to say, they were ignored. However, it just goes to show how rooted in history Al Qaeda is, when it chooses to be. So ... there y'go !

I think that he gets more of it than he lets on. He figures that its just best not to discuss that and instead to use snarky remarks, spin and deflection to full advantage IMHO.-Tyr