Al Qaeda in Syria??

[Dilloduck]

That may be, but as long as those people continue to follow those imams they will be disrespected.

Which people ? All muslims or the criminals ?

[Tyr-Ziu Saxnot]

So that we do not forget, because short-term memory is often so very convenient!
When we went into Iraq , it was because the most of world knew that Hussein had WMD programs for developing them and stockpiles. This was so well known that nobody doubted it!

When we went into the Middle east the first time to free Kuwait, Hussein had WMD , some were hidden, but not completely with the detail that the Sarindar protocol engendered. We didn't go all the way to dethrone Saddam that time, and the UN took over the vetting of Iraq and it's WMD. Their reports said that he still had them and must destroy them. After a decade, the UN said Iraq had not done so. Before 911, the UN had said he was a major provider of war materiel to terrorists. After 911 we were talked into many months of diplomacy before going in. After the sanctions failed because France, Russia and Germany took payoffs in the food for oil scam and blocked serious action, the Allied world worked together to go in and rectify the problem.

It was long after the Congress and Senate gave near-unanimous authority to attack, that the British, Israelis, and many other Intel services verified all the facts. Hussein had WMD and would use them on any Allied forces if they attacked him. The Democrats made a big deal about tens of thousands of body bags needed before the invasion started. There was no Bush-led conspiracy. During those nine months, those same intel agencies noted the Russian Generals were involved with major movement all over Iraq and Syria. Our own satellite cameras documented Russian and Iraqi security forces escorting truck caravans into Syria. Just before the invasion these Generals were honored by the Iraqis and given medals.

Remember that part of Sarindar was the ability to reconstruct the WMD program after the stockpiles had been hidden or deep-sixed. Not only did we find stockpiles of WMD that were not yet removed, we uncovered the programs themselves that had been hidden away. The media covered some of the discoveries of stockpiles but minimized them as not the entire stockpile. After we had removed Saddam and secured Iraq - we went around blowing up stockpiles of weaponry, chemicals and explosives. These things were not wild guesses or conspiracy theory rather it was the history of the times.
Syria got those WMD and now conveniently Syria is under attack with AlQaeda deeply involved there .

[Dilloduck]

So that we do not forget, because short-term memory is often so very convenient!
When we went into Iraq , it was because the most of world knew that Hussein had WMD programs for developing them and stockpiles. This was so well known that nobody doubted it!

When we went into the Middle east the first time to free Kuwait, Hussein had WMD , some were hidden, but not completely with the detail that the Sarindar protocol engendered. We didn't go all the way to dethrone Saddam that time, and the UN took over the vetting of Iraq and it's WMD. Their reports said that he still had them and must destroy them. After a decade, the UN said Iraq had not done so. Before 911, the UN had said he was a major provider of war materiel to terrorists. After 911 we were talked into many months of diplomacy before going in. After the sanctions failed because France, Russia and Germany took payoffs in the food for oil scam and blocked serious action, the Allied world worked together to go in and rectify the problem.

It was long after the Congress and Senate gave near-unanimous authority to attack, that the British, Israelis, and many other Intel services verified all the facts. Hussein had WMD and would use them on any Allied forces if they attacked him. The Democrats made a big deal about tens of thousands of body bags needed before the invasion started. There was no Bush-led conspiracy. During those nine months, those same intel agencies noted the Russian Generals were involved with major movement all over Iraq and Syria. Our own satellite cameras documented Russian and Iraqi security forces escorting truck caravans into Syria. Just before the invasion these Generals were honored by the Iraqis and given medals.

Remember that part of Sarindar was the ability to reconstruct the WMD program after the stockpiles had been hidden or deep-sixed. Not only did we find stockpiles of WMD that were not yet removed, we uncovered the programs themselves that had been hidden away. The media covered some of the discoveries of stockpiles but minimized them as not the entire stockpile. After we had removed Saddam and secured Iraq - we went around blowing up stockpiles of weaponry, chemicals and explosives. These things were not wild guesses or conspiracy theory rather it was the history of the times.
Syria got those WMD and now conveniently Syria is under attack with AlQaeda deeply involved there .

I guess we blew it. How in the hell did they manage to elude us ?

[Tyr-Ziu Saxnot]

I guess we blew it. How in the hell did they manage to elude us ?

We havent blew anything yet. We just need to let our military go. Stop limiting it so damn much. Stop the insane ROE's and let our guys blast our enemies all to hell. We have so hampered our troops over there that its actually insanity IMHO.-Tyr

[Dilloduck]

We havent blew anything yet. We just need to let our military go. Stop limiting it so damn much. Stop the insane ROE's and let our guys blast our enemies all to hell. We have so hampered our troops over there that its actually insanity IMHO.-Tyr

No shit---prooves neither political party can get it right.

[Tyr-Ziu Saxnot]

No shit---prooves neither political party can get it right.

Proves the libs/leftists/dems here sabotage our military every chance they get. Proves a few other things too but lets consider that one first.-Tyr

[jafar00]

While it is true that many (if not all) European colonial empires used Christianity as an excuse for expansion, I cannot think of any MODERN European nation currently doing so. Comparing Christian nations of today with Muslim nations of today might be more productive IMO. Alternatively, comparing Muslim nations and Christian nations across the same time period might prove an interesting discussion. Truthfully, there is little to be gained from comparing medievil societies with modern societies regarding current day actions. That is not to say that there is nothing to be gained by knowing history; of course there is.

Ok. Let's look at this. Which Muslim nations have invaded and bombed other nations in the last 10 years..... none.

We see tons of Muslims committing atrocities in modern times, today, last year, a LOT since 9/11. It's undeniable and there are pages dedicated to the amounts of these attacks, where and what sparked it. Is this happening today, modern age, in the amount it's happening within Islam?

And tons of Christians, Jews and Buddhists committing atrocities. You make it sound like it's a Muslim only problem. Truth is, we are all bad. We are human!

So that we do not forget, because short-term memory is often so very convenient!
When we went into Iraq , it was because the most of world knew that Hussein had WMD programs for developing them and stockpiles. This was so well known that nobody doubted it!

Remind us..... where are/were they?

[Tyr-Ziu Saxnot]

Remind us..... where are/were they?

I know that this thread is long but you should go back and read it all. Answer is there but if not adequate I may care to post an answer for you if somebody else doesnt beat me to it. .-Tyr

[Gaffer]

Ok. Let's look at this. Which Muslim nations have invaded and bombed other nations in the last 10 years..... none.




And tons of Christians, Jews and Buddhists committing atrocities. You make it sound like it's a Muslim only problem. Truth is, we are all bad. We are human!



Remind us..... where are/were they?

No muslim nations have done anything in the last ten years because the US has been preventing them from doing so.

Do you have any proof of these tons of Christian, Jew and Buddhist atrocities? And I really want to see the Buddhist atrocities. I'm sure they are making headlines all over the world. And don't you dare bring up the middle ages.

The WMD's went to syria, which we have discussed here in great detail. Which is why syria was warned not to move or use them or the US would put boots on the ground along with lots of air strikes.

[Tyr-Ziu Saxnot]

I know that this thread is long but you should go back and read it all. Answer is there but if not adequate I may care to post an answer for you if somebody else doesnt beat me to it. .-Tyr

What Gaffer said and this I posted previously.

So that we do not forget, because short-term memory is often so very convenient!
When we went into Iraq , it was because the most of world knew that Hussein had WMD programs for developing them and stockpiles. This was so well known that nobody doubted it!

When we went into the Middle east the first time to free Kuwait, Hussein had WMD , some were hidden, but not completely with the detail that the Sarindar protocol engendered. We didn't go all the way to dethrone Saddam that time, and the UN took over the vetting of Iraq and it's WMD. Their reports said that he still had them and must destroy them. After a decade, the UN said Iraq had not done so. Before 911, the UN had said he was a major provider of war materiel to terrorists. After 911 we were talked into many months of diplomacy before going in. After the sanctions failed because France, Russia and Germany took payoffs in the food for oil scam and blocked serious action, the Allied world worked together to go in and rectify the problem.

It was long after the Congress and Senate gave near-unanimous authority to attack, that the British, Israelis, and many other Intel services verified all the facts. Hussein had WMD and would use them on any Allied forces if they attacked him. The Democrats made a big deal about tens of thousands of body bags needed before the invasion started. There was no Bush-led conspiracy. During those nine months, those same intel agencies noted the Russian Generals were involved with major movement all over Iraq and Syria. Our own satellite cameras documented Russian and Iraqi security forces escorting truck caravans into Syria. Just before the invasion these Generals were honored by the Iraqis and given medals.

Remember that part of Sarindar was the ability to reconstruct the WMD program after the stockpiles had been hidden or deep-sixed. Not only did we find stockpiles of WMD that were not yet removed, we uncovered the programs themselves that had been hidden away. The media covered some of the discoveries of stockpiles but minimized them as not the entire stockpile. After we had removed Saddam and secured Iraq - we went around blowing up stockpiles of weaponry, chemicals and explosives. These things were not wild guesses or conspiracy theory rather it was the history of the times.
Syria got those WMD and now conveniently Syria is under attack with AlQaeda deeply involved there .

[Dilloduck]

Proves the libs/leftists/dems here sabotage our military every chance they get. Proves a few other things too but lets consider that one first.-Tyr

When Bush was CIC the ROE sucked too. Any particular reason he didn't finish the job with the wmd's that went to Syria ? Isn't that why we went there?

[jimnyc]

Ok. Let's look at this. Which Muslim nations have invaded and bombed other nations in the last 10 years..... none.

As Gaffer stated, the US is likely preventing a lot of that with our presence in various areas. But invading nations is what YOU made it about. That does nothing to explain away the endless atrocities and abuse within Islam, or what they commit in the name of religion, outside of invading a nation. It's a LOT

And tons of Christians, Jews and Buddhists committing atrocities. You make it sound like it's a Muslim only problem. Truth is, we are all bad. We are human!

Look at the list of Islamic based attacks on the website you like to ignore - http://www.thereligionofpeace.com/

You ARE right in the fact that it's not just a Muslim problem. Man is bad everywhere. It just seems in modern times more of them are within Islam. Can you provide a comparable list of even remotely near the length of the one on that website? I do agree that Christians, Jews, and others all do bad things - just that 'percentages', in this modern age, make Islam stick out like a sore thumb. You can ignore that site, ignore the crap within Islam and try to deflect with 'everyone does it', but there's a HUGE problem within Islam that makes other religions look like peanuts in comparison.

[Tyr-Ziu Saxnot]

As Gaffer stated, the US is likely preventing a lot of that with our presence in various areas. But invading nations is what YOU made it about. That does nothing to explain away the endless atrocities and abuse within Islam, or what they commit in the name of religion, outside of invading a nation. It's a LOT



Look at the list of Islamic based attacks on the website you like to ignore - http://www.thereligionofpeace.com/

You ARE right in the fact that it's not just a Muslim problem. Man is bad everywhere. It just seems in modern times more of them are within Islam. Can you provide a comparable list of even remotely near the length of the one on that website? I do agree that Christians, Jews, and others all do bad things - just that 'percentages', in this modern age, make Islam stick out like a sore thumb. You can ignore that site, ignore the crap within Islam and try to deflect with 'everyone does it', but there's a HUGE problem within Islam that makes other religions look like peanuts in comparison.

Islam's huge problem is the basis for its spreading. It affirms that murder is ordered by God to be delivered unto all that do not accept the Koran and Allah unconditionally ! It lives and breathes hate and violence. It is written so that those two things must always be a part of it. Because that is true we must never yield so much as an inch to its demands. For a good look at what happen when the yielding starts study Britain and its current dire problems!-Tyr

[jafar00]

As Gaffer stated, the US is likely preventing a lot of that with our presence in various areas. But invading nations is what YOU made it about. That does nothing to explain away the endless atrocities and abuse within Islam, or what they commit in the name of religion, outside of invading a nation. It's a LOT



Look at the list of Islamic based attacks on the website you like to ignore - http://www.thereligionofpeace.com/

You ARE right in the fact that it's not just a Muslim problem. Man is bad everywhere. It just seems in modern times more of them are within Islam. Can you provide a comparable list of even remotely near the length of the one on that website? I do agree that Christians, Jews, and others all do bad things - just that 'percentages', in this modern age, make Islam stick out like a sore thumb. You can ignore that site, ignore the crap within Islam and try to deflect with 'everyone does it', but there's a HUGE problem within Islam that makes other religions look like peanuts in comparison.

Much of the abuse happens in Africa which incidentally has a lot of Muslims who are caught up in it. Africa is also the place where western powers have invaded time and time again to steal resources and put western friendly despots in power who further degraded and demoralised their citizens. These people didn't ask for conflict or for abject poverty.

[jimnyc]

Much of the abuse happens in Africa which incidentally has a lot of Muslims who are caught up in it. Africa is also the place where western powers have invaded time and time again to steal resources and put western friendly despots in power who further degraded and demoralised their citizens. These people didn't ask for conflict or for abject poverty.

It's not all Africa. It's hardly all places invaded by western powers. Regardless - the deaths listed on the pages I give are lists of terror attacks and murders based on religion. Where that happened and how is leading the country really doesn't change that much. And still no response about all of the somewhat modernized countries and the tons of attacks coming from them. But don't worry, I've been bringing these states to various boards for years, it's not like you're the first to ignore them or fail to come up with honest answers.