Sharia law: A threat to our Constitution, yes or no?

[Tyr-Ziu Saxnot]

If you take my statement in context i think we might be closer than you think.

My basic point is our house is on fire now and people in the house are fanning the flames and lighting matches while pointing at down the street complaining about how the neighbors fire MIGHT come over here. If we don't watch out. There's no Sharia law in federal law now. There's no proposed Sharia legislation that i know of. But the bill of rights is considered an inconvenient courteous given to Americans TODAY.
If we continue down the road we're on any old dictatorship will due, Sharia being one brand of many. If we don't care about the Constitution now what the heck is all the hand wringing over Sharia in the possible one day maybe future if this or if that happens.
I've given loong LIST of constitutional violations many of which are defended here as --necessary or good or just the way it is or has to be because.... Others times some pick and choose parts of the constitution they like.
so I repeat
Sharia is not a real threat at this point at all.

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I disagree with you about Sharia law but generally agree with you on the Constitutional attacks that have been carried out and justified because of the 9/11 terrorist attacks and the threats of future attacks..Instead of concentrating on 80 year old grandma's, infants and other people that certainly do not fit the profile of a radical muslim terrorists we should have adopted a program of zeroing in on muslims. It was muslims that did the attack and did so because of their religion.-Tyr

[SassyLady]

Our country doesn't practice Sharia law. Nor do we accept it.
So how does it threaten our constitution?

Your extreme right wing blogger is grasping at straws (again).

Were you aware of this, Gabby? That the DNC invited Siraj Wahhaj to kick of their convention with an opening prayer? You ask who this person is?

Siraj Wahhaj is an unindicted co-conspirator in the 1993 World Trade Center bombing that killed six Americans, and he is on record as saying it is the duty of all Muslims to replace the US Constitution with Sharia law. I don't think being aware of how the democrats are courting radical/extremists is "grasping at straws".

[Dilloduck]

I disagree with you about Sharia law but generally agree with you on the Constitutional attacks that have been carried out and justified because of the 9/11 terrorist attacks and the threats of future attacks..Instead of concentrating on 80 year old grandma's, infants and other people that certainly do not fit the profile of a radical muslim terrorists we should have adopted a program of zeroing in on muslims. It was muslims that did the attack and did so because of their religion.-Tyr

The constitution which you claim to defend prohibits discrimination.

[tailfins]

The constitution which you claim to defend prohibits discrimination.

The US Constitution itself doesn't prohibit discrimination. The US has the OPTION to prohibit discrimination in its laws. Jafar00 makes a good point about properly defining the enemy. Has anyone considered that 99% of Muslims don't like Bin Laden?

Rather then focus on who gets searched, we should focus on non-intrusive security measures.

[taft2012]

I think it's clear actually. Many, many Muslims feel that they should be able to resolve disputes based on their own laws instead of the laws of the country they reside in. If you haven't seen the tons of stories, then you are out of touch and naive. Do I think they'll be successful in altering our COTUS in favor of Shariah? Nope. But there are already instances of Muslims handling matters themselves, based on Islamic law, and avoiding our courts. They need to understand, that if they live on our soil, they need to adhere to our laws.

If they had their way, they would have large areas (like Indian reservations) and have their own societies and legal systems. Not gonna happen, but that doesn't mean that they won't try.

In the interest of full disclosure, this has been going on for years in Hasidic Jewish communities in Brooklyn. Pedophile rabbis manage to evade the criminal justice system in this manner.

It is not officially endorsed by elected officials, but the Kings County District Attorneys Office does an awful lot of winking and nodding.

[taft2012]

The constitution which you claim to defend prohibits discrimination.

Where is that in the Constitution? We had to have a war and amend the Constitution to outlaw slavery....

[Tyr-Ziu Saxnot]

Where is that in the Constitution? We had to have a war and amend the Constitution to outlaw slavery....

Perhaps Dillo just meant the Constitution that obama and the lib/leftists ignore or make up as they go whichever way fits their agenda best. That Constitution made to fit a socialist agenda until that socialist agenda finds a good way to void the entire document.-Tyr

[Dilloduck]

Perhaps Dillo just meant the Constitution that obama and the lib/leftists ignore or make up as they go whichever way fits their agenda best. That Constitution made to fit a socialist agenda until that socialist agenda finds a good way to void the entire document.-Tyr

How about bill of rights ?

[DragonStryk72]

http://www.valleyfamilyforum.org/ind...stitution.html

Shariah Law: A Threat to the U.S. Constitution

One need look no further than Saudi Arabia's well-documented, appalling record of human right abuses and their oppression of women, to see that Sharia Law directly opposes the principles and ideals stated in the United States Constitution: Life, Liberty, and The Pursuit of Happiness.

Sharia Law strips the people of the right to elect their own leaders, installing a select group of religious leaders who reign supreme over all. This select ruling group appoints, establishes, and controls the network of judges; makes all laws; defines harsh punishments for every infraction; and enforces its will through the use of "religious police".

Specifically, Sharia Law in any capacity violates the First Amendment to the Constitution: "Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof...". Moreover, it violently stifles any opposition, whether that be in speech, in the press, or public demonstration. Under Sharia Law, there is no such thing as petitioning the government for "redress of grievances"(First Amendment to the Constitution). To do so would be suicide.
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Sharia law stands in direct opposition to our Constitution yet muslims recently gathered in Charlotte NC to protest recent anti-Sharia laws being passed here in America! As if we MUST allow destruction of our Constitution by this religious insanity! Who are these vermin that think that their insane garbage should be allowed to destroy our lives, our culture and our nation!!?? Folks, wake up soon or you may just wake up with your head on a muslim chopping block!-Tyr

No, Sharia Law is strictly prohibited by our Constitution, and we've got way too many well-armed people against it, so again, no. It's like asking "Could Mexico succesfully invade Texas?"

[Dilloduck]

Our secret weapon

[Tyr-Ziu Saxnot]

No, Sharia Law is strictly prohibited by our Constitution, and we've got way too many well-armed people against it, so again, no. It's like asking "Could Mexico succesfully invade Texas?"

http://www.firstthings.com/article/2...ti-sharia-laws



Proponents of this legislation tend to focus on manifestations of Sharia overseas: the stoning of adulterers, cutting off of the hands of thieves, and the denial of basic freedoms for women in some Islamic countries. In America, the targets of concern are much more elusive. One commonly cited case, for example, was brought by a Moroccan woman in New Jersey who sought a restraining order against her husband for repeatedly assaulting and raping her. The state court judge denied the request, finding that the husband lacked the required intent because he believed that his wife’s compliance with his demand for sex was mandated by Islamic law. The decision was overturned on appeal.

Sharia means “the way to the watering place.” It has come to refer to the correct way of practicing religion—in particular, the rules that govern the lives of Muslims. Frank Griffel, professor of Islamic studies at Yale, points out that Sharia goes beyond what most Americans would consider “legal discourse, for it extends to matters concerning proprieties of clothing, conduct between spouses, filial piety, behavior at funerals, and other questions that Westerners would treat not as legal, but as moral issues or mere etiquette.” Put simply, “all normative discussions within Islam” center on Sharia.

There are many schools of interpretation among Islamic legal scholars, and some interpretations stand in tension with the rights that we have come to take for granted in liberal democracies, including the rights of women, homosexual persons, religious minorities, and religious converts.
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If one clicks the link to read the entire article they find that the author supports and defends that Sharia should not be banned in its entirety but that some aspects of it should be allowed. This is how it will start and then grow to include more and more. This how they do it! This is how they did it in Britain, once inside the door, they can work to keep exspanding it! We have a huge and complex legal system in place now. No need to plant a seed forits destruction and that is exactly what allowing Sharia law into our legal system as part of it or as a seperate recognised and legal alternative!
Never say never my friend. Britain found that out the hard way IMHO. Currently obama usurps and ignore our Constitution whichever one best suits his interests. Another assualt on our Constitution can not be allowed to start! For Sharia law would have the support of over a billion muslims behind it and our politicians would quickly cave on one aspect after another, just as they are doing and have done in Britain! If Drummonds addresses this issue on this thread he can elaborate on that much better than I. For we have an example of SHARIA LAW BEING INCLUDED AND STARTING TO NEGATIVELY EFFECT THE ESTABLISHED LEGAL SYSTEM IN BRITAIN!!
It is best to stop it here before the infection occurs because foooools are already crying how harmless it would be and why we should allow it!

This in Britain..
http://loganswarning.com/islamsharia...es-in-america/

Quotes About Islam
Ayatollah Ruhollah Khomeini

"Those who know nothing about Islam pretend that Islam counsels against war. Those people are witless. Islam says: 'Kill all the unbelievers just as they would kill you all!' Does this mean that Muslims should sit back until they are devoured by the infidel? Islam says: 'Kill them, put them to the sword and scatter them.' Islam says: 'Whatever good there is exists thanks to the sword.' The sword is the key to Paradise, which can be opened only for the Holy Warriors! Does all this mean that Islam is a religion that prevents men from waging war? I spit upon those foolish souls who make such a claim
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That link contains numerous other links to validate how the Sharia law movement works to supplant existing laws wherever it gets started.-Tyr

[Dilloduck]

Apples and oranges----Great Britain does not have our Constitution. The only threat to our constitution comes from judges who misinterpret it and an executive branch that won't enforce it. The legistators can make all the laws they want but IF the courts do their job, the Constitution wins again.

[Drummond]

Apples and oranges----Great Britain does not have our Constitution. The only threat to our constitution comes from judges who misinterpret it and an executive branch that won't enforce it. The legistators can make all the laws they want but IF the courts do their job, the Constitution wins again.

Suddenly, we're GREAT Britain ? Well, how about that ....

As you say, we don't have the US Constitution. What we do have is a legal system which lacks the safeguards of one ! Laws can be passed here, without any safety valve moderating their introduction .. all that's required is that they get through the required readings in the Houses of Parliament.

Preserve your Constitution all you can. Preserve adherence to it. Without that, inroads are possible you'd scarcely credit.

Trust me. I know.

Imagine any American equivalent to our Archbishop of Canterbury, making a speech in which he suggested that a limited form of Sharia Law should be introduced ! We in GREAT Britain were treated to that. Happily, his suggestion provoked outrage in some quarters .. otherwise, if it hadn't, who could say how far we'd have travelled along the judicial road to seeing it introduced ??

[tailfins]

Suddenly, we're GREAT Britain ? Well, how about that ....

As you say, we don't have the US Constitution. What we do have is a legal system which lacks the safeguards of one ! Laws can be passed here, without any safety valve moderating their introduction .. all that's required is that they get through the required readings in the Houses of Parliament.

Preserve your Constitution all you can. Preserve adherence to it. Without that, inroads are possible you'd scarcely credit.

Trust me. I know.

Imagine any American equivalent to our Archbishop of Canterbury, making a speech in which he suggested that a limited form of Sharia Law should be introduced ! We in GREAT Britain were treated to that. Happily, his suggestion provoked outrage in some quarters .. otherwise, if it hadn't, who could say how far we'd have travelled along the judicial road to seeing it introduced ??

George Washington and Thomas Jefferson knew a bad deal when they saw it.

[Dilloduck]

Suddenly, we're GREAT Britain ? Well, how about that ....

As you say, we don't have the US Constitution. What we do have is a legal system which lacks the safeguards of one ! Laws can be passed here, without any safety valve moderating their introduction .. all that's required is that they get through the required readings in the Houses of Parliament.

Preserve your Constitution all you can. Preserve adherence to it. Without that, inroads are possible you'd scarcely credit.

Trust me. I know.

Imagine any American equivalent to our Archbishop of Canterbury, making a speech in which he suggested that a limited form of Sharia Law should be introduced ! We in GREAT Britain were treated to that. Happily, his suggestion provoked outrage in some quarters .. otherwise, if it hadn't, who could say how far we'd have travelled along the judicial road to seeing it introduced ??

Whatever gave you the insane idea that Sharia law was a threat to our Constitution or that we had any plans to scuttle it? Worry about your own country. We have PLENTY of people here defending ours.