Hatred for the poor

[shattered]

"That seems normal" - that seems a desirable way to live, perhaps? And the way to get there is to do what you did.

My point is...with what I was "born into", I could have just slacked along through life, because that was what I knew..that was all I knew.. But I chose to change, and wasn't going to sit around and wait for someone to change it for me..

If a lot more people did that, the welfare/government programs would be for the truly *incapable*, and nobody would have a problem with it. Helping those that truly need help (as in cases of the elderly, incapacitated, etc.) is one thing.. Welfare skaters are entirely another.

[Mr. P]

BTW, I don't like Whirlpool.. I think they should stick to making washers..

I have whirlpool frig that is 24 years old and works great.
A washer dryer too.

*I have had to do some work on the wash and dryer though.*

[diuretic]

My point is...with what I was "born into", I could have just slacked along through life, because that was what I knew..that was all I knew.. But I chose to change, and wasn't going to sit around and wait for someone to change it for me..

If a lot more people did that, the welfare/government programs would be for the truly *incapable*, and nobody would have a problem with it. Helping those that truly need help (as in cases of the elderly, incapacitated, etc.) is one thing.. Welfare skaters are entirely another.

I agree, welfare abusers should be dealt with. The system should be a safety net and not a free ride. I think though that it's useful for government to have policies that build up opportunities for people to get out from under as well. You were able to do it because of your personal characeristics, some people may need a hand or a shove in the right direction.

[Gunny]

Dude, condoms are 99 percent effective at stopping sperm cells from entering the uterus. Save me the "abstinence is 100 percent effective" one-liner. People ARE going to have sex regardless of your freaky insistence to the contrary that if we preach enough about it all unmarried people will suddenly see the light and adopt a monastic lifestyle. You can't keep believing that policy based on ideology alone will work in the real world. In the real world people--unmarried people no less--have sex all the time and they always have and always will. Our bodies are built for it. That's not a "self-centered" comment, it's real life. The way I see it, we've got two options. Either we make birth control available to people, teach our kids about it AND continue to teach that abstinence is the best policy until they're married and we see unwanted birthrates decline, OR we shun birth control based on self-righteous, unrealistic ideology, ignore reality, preach abstinence-only dogma and continue to see unwanted birthrates skyrocket out of control. I've made my choice already.

Regardless your twisting, abstinence IS 100% effective at not only preventing unwanted pregnancies, but the transfer of STD's as well.

Like it or not, people DID used to have enough morals to exercise a little self-discipline and good judgement.

Until people like you made it okay to make excuses for being losers instead.

[diuretic]

Regardless your twisting, abstinence IS 100% effective at not only preventing unwanted pregnancies, but the transfer of STD's as well.

Like it or not, people DID used to have enough morals to exercise a little self-discipline and good judgement.

Until people like you made it okay to make excuses for being losers instead.

People have been, are and will continue to hump like rabbits. It's the strongest drive we have. Abstinence as public policy is ridiculous because humping is great fun, feels good and can really make your day!

[shattered]

People have been, are and will continue to hump like rabbits. It's the strongest drive we have. Abstinence as public policy is ridiculous because humping is great fun, feels good and can really make your day!

...and it's all about what's fun and feels good now.. Damn consequences - we can just kill those later, right?

[Mr. P]

If you find it, let me see it.. I've heard nothing but good for Viking ranges, and Sub-Zero refridgerators...

This is not what I remember reading but it's a start.
http://www.consumeraffairs.com/homeowners/viking.html

[shattered]

This is not what I remember reading but it's a start.
http://www.consumeraffairs.com/homeowners/viking.html

Hmm.. Ok, that's enough for me - thanks...

[Nukeman]

I agree, welfare abusers should be dealt with. The system should be a safety net and not a free ride. I think though that it's useful for government to have policies that build up opportunities for people to get out from under as well. You were able to do it because of your personal characeristics, some people may need a hand or a shove in the right direction.

New York did start giving them a shove. They stopped giving extra money for having more children after the person started receiving welfair.

They also started Workfair. People HAD to get out and get a job, and start on a course to get off public assistance.

There are a lot of people like shattered who are born poor or low income and "pull themselves up by their bootstrapes". Others who are born into that situation just see a life style and are encouraged by family members to just stay that way. Ever hear of "crabs in a barrel"?

[Nukeman]

People have been, are and will continue to hump like rabbits. It's the strongest drive we have. Abstinence as public policy is ridiculous because humping is great fun, feels good and can really make your day!

Unwanted pregnancy is going to happen. But, and here goes, people who do this shouldn't expect the rest of us to pay for their mistakes!

One unexpected pregnancy is one thing, anymore and the person is an idiot for not figuring out how to prevent it. Yes, abstaning, so they can afford the one they have is an option they should take.

People need to take RESPONSIBILITY for their own actions.

1. Pay your bills instead of going out to the bar
2. take classes to improve your career
3. keep your pants on
4. Eat at home instead of going out

RESPONSIBILITY

[diuretic]

New York did start giving them a shove. They stopped giving extra money for having more children after the person started receiving welfair.

They also started Workfair. People HAD to get out and get a job, and start on a course to get off public assistance.

There are a lot of people like shattered who are born poor or low income and "pull themselves up by their bootstrapes". Others who are born into that situation just see a life style and are encouraged by family members to just stay that way. Ever hear of "crabs in a barrel"?

Yep, I'm familiar with the term. I also know "misery loves company".

[diuretic]

Unwanted pregnancy is going to happen. But, and here goes, people who do this shouldn't expect the rest of us to pay for their mistakes!

One unexpected pregnancy is one thing, anymore and the person is an idiot for not figuring out how to prevent it. Yes, abstaning, so they can afford the one they have is an option they should take.

People need to take RESPONSIBILITY for their own actions.

1. Pay your bills instead of going out to the bar
2. take classes to improve your career
3. keep your pants on
4. Eat at home instead of going out

RESPONSIBILITY

Apart from the abstinence idea (birth control is much more realistic), I don't disagree.

[Hobbit]

Apart from the abstinence idea (birth control is much more realistic), I don't disagree.

True, but no birth control is perfect, and there has been at least one documented case of a man with a vascectomy impregnating a woman with tied tubes. Gotta decide how much risk you're willing to take.

[gabosaurus]

True, but no birth control is perfect, and there has been at least one documented case of a man with a vascectomy impregnating a woman with tied tubes. Gotta decide how much risk you're willing to take.

You don't have to reveal family secrets to get your point across.

[avatar4321]

You don't have to reveal family secrets to get your point across.

Do you ever write a post that isnt a personal attack on someone?