Apostasy

[tailfins]

This is a curious 'take' on the UK situation (and I note its diversionary value, by the way ....).

At the heart of our situation, Tailfins, is one truly appalling fact: our people were stupid enough to vote Socialists into power, repeatedly, for an extended time (is this ringing any bells with you ?). Thanks to this, we had a governing body determined to appease Islamists (and other minority groupings) in any and various ways.

A virtually 'open door' policy on immigration didn't exactly help.

So it's been that Muslim numbers have grown considerably. They've set up communities of their own, formed pressure groups dedicated to advancing a pro-Muslim agenda .. and as for the law, well, laws have been passed that empower Muslims to use legal backing for prohibition of free expression of views, sentiments, which they can claim not to like. It's called 'hatespeech' legislation.

Our Labour Government banned Geert Wilders from entering the UK because he'd planned to give a talk on his film, 'Fitna'. Your disc-jockey, Michael Savage, is STILL prohibited from setting foot on UK territory, because he was placed on a ban-list which also included terrorists on it. He has supposedly 'undesirable' views, you see ... and the easiest way of tackling this is to do whatever it takes to silence him. By State Order ...

So my answer - perhaps putting it over-simply - is that we should've kept our Socialist trash firmly OUT of Government. When in power, they sold us out .. much as your Socialist-In-Chief is happy to still be free to do, on your side of the Pond ...

What I don't like is people who lost an election descend into directionless anger. I don't like the results of the election either. The line of these posts is counter-productive. Our focus should be to minimize the damage. The Michigan right to work law was a nice victory. It's time to focus on battles that can be won. It would appear the lowest hanging fruit in your area of interest would be to influence immigration policy. I'm not diverting; I'm focusing.

[Drummond]

What I don't like is people who lost an election descend into directionless anger. I don't like the results of the election either. The line of these posts is counter-productive. Our focus should be to minimize the damage. The Michigan right to work law was a nice victory. It's time to focus on battles that can be won. It would appear the lowest hanging fruit in your area of interest would be to influence immigration policy. I'm not diverting; I'm focusing.

Not at all sure what you mean by 'lowest hanging fruit in your area of interest'.

I can understand that you don't like to see 'anger' getting an airing following an unhappy election result. But, really, isn't it VERY understandable ? Those feeling such anger are patriots who want the best for their country, only to see a prospect of the WORST being realised, instead. So I suggest to you that those expressing such anger are showing their decency when they do so ... not to mention, of course, their totally understandable frustration at those who insist upon dragging their compatriots down with them.

Granted, 'minimizing the damage', IF that's achievable, is a good thing. But I'd suggest that far more is also involved. How about concerted efforts at education, to prove to people just how terribly wrong-headed a pro-Socialist vote is ... so that, by the time of the next election, there is NO hope of a further repeat ?

Working in favour of that will be, of course, the trail of social destruction that Obama and his mob will inflict in the months and years ahead. Not least in furthering - as Socialists insist upon doing - the ongoing sellout of Christian identity, the enhancement of Muslim encroachment. My country has seen this already. Over the next four years, SO WILL YOURS. IT'S WHAT SOCIALISTS DO.

You talk about wanting to focus on winnable battles. Fair enough. But, what do you think CAN be won, with Obama in charge ? Do you underestimate his powers to inflict harm ? Do you think he'll backslide on his determination to inflict his agenda, as and when he can ?

So, no. Re-education is vitally important. Posts, messages, which highlight the means by which harm will result have great value. If 'anger' is expressed in the process, this is most understandable, honest, and indeed, it has its own power to impress and persuade.

An angry Public can be a mobilised Public ... no bad thing in many circumstances, Tailfins. If people feel justified anger .. I say that they have a right to it.

That you may be unhappy with it is, ultimately, neither here nor there, in the greater scheme of things. Yours is not the only opinion out there.

[Drummond]

A fine post but will be wasted effort on him. I've made nemnerous posts about Britain's plight and gave links with details that support exactly what you have just posted, its not like he hasnt seen it before. Diversion is a very old tactic and employed by the defenders of Islam so very often. You my friend , are dealing with such a defender with your reply made to tailfins. Sad, isnt it?-Tyr

Fair points, Tyr, of course, and thanks for them. Still ... posting what I did to Tailfins is no waste, in my view. OK, my points were regurgitations of what's been said before, and by both of us. Nonetheless, regardless of any reaction Tailfins may offer, many other people read our posts. For one person who fails to take on board what's expressed, there could be 50 others (or far more) who DO heed what's said.

Let Tailfins defend as he chooses. In the fullness of time, Tyr, what is RIGHT will be PROVED right. A viewpoint with merit, one with justice on its side, will prevail. Have faith, my friend.

I ultimately don't care if modes of expression cause a negative reaction in those only caring about such things. What truly matters is the justice of a case properly advanced.

Justice, decency, righteousness, these things MATTER. We have right on our side, Tyr. THAT is what's important.

[Tyr-Ziu Saxnot]

some religions will give you the boot, if you don't follow there teachings, but Islam is the only one i have ever heard of that will kill you for going against it, even for not converting

Yes, they will kill you for 'not converting' to it and will kill you for "converting" from it.
They get you coming and they get ya going..
Think of it like the poor fly that hits the spider's web, its dead meat.. -Tyr

[Tyr-Ziu Saxnot]

Fair points, Tyr, of course, and thanks for them. Still ... posting what I did to Tailfins is no waste, in my view. OK, my points were regurgitations of what's been said before, and by both of us. Nonetheless, regardless of any reaction Tailfins may offer, many other people read our posts. For one person who fails to take on board what's expressed, there could be 50 others (or far more) who DO heed what's said.

Let Tailfins defend as he chooses. In the fullness of time, Tyr, what is RIGHT will be PROVED right. A viewpoint with merit, one with justice on its side, will prevail. Have faith, my friend.

I ultimately don't care if modes of expression cause a negative reaction in those only caring about such things. What truly matters is the justice of a case properly advanced.

Justice, decency, righteousness, these things MATTER. We have right on our side, Tyr. THAT is what's important.

Of course you are right. Its the presentation of the truth for others to consider that weighs the most importance !
Sometimes one may temporarily lose sight of that when in heated exchanges with an opponent. And my consideration of the futile merits of attempting to enlighten one individual , tailfins, fails when reminded of the overall necessity of removing the cloak that has been placed to hide the truth. I too, have often even had to remind others of the very thing that you have just rightly reminded me! And you have my thanks for it my friend. I instead of pitying his ignorance, went into contempt mode far ,far too deeply. You have my apology for casting such a mistaken post for your considerations. I am nothing if not humbly able to admit my mistakes to a friend. The truth being aired for "others to read and then consider" takes precedent over petty contempteous comments made in haste.
Bravo, for such an honest and insightful reply my friend..-
Reminds me of the time I had to tell my really great friend Louis, over 35 years ago, that his girlfriend got drunk at a party while he was out of town and banged his cousin in a parked car in the backyard there. . I hated to give the brutal truth but the truth will out. He was pissed at me for a week , then he apologised and thanked me for it. He died in a motorcycle accident about 9 years later after having been very happily married to a different girl for 8 years and having wonderful two children..
The truth will out, decency and justice are not to be denied.. --Tyr

[Drummond]

Of course you are right. Its the presentation of the truth for others to consider that weighs the most importance !
Sometimes one may temporarily lose sight of that when in heated exchanges with an opponent. And my consideration of the futile merits of attempting to enlighten one individual , tailfins, fails when reminded of the overall necessity of removing the cloak that has been placed to hide the truth. I too, have often even had to remind others of the very thing that you have just rightly reminded me! And you have my thanks for it my friend. I instead of pitying his ignorance, went into contempt mode far ,far too deeply. You have my apology for casting such a mistaken post for your considerations. I am nothing if not humbly able to admit my mistakes to a friend. The truth being aired for "others to read and then consider" takes precedent over petty contempteous comments made in haste.
Bravo, for such an honest and insightful reply my friend..-
Reminds me of the time I had to tell my really great friend Louis, over 35 years ago, that his girlfriend got drunk at a party while he was out of town and banged his cousin in a parked car in the backyard there. . I hated to give the brutal truth but the truth will out. He was pissed at me for a week , then he apologised and thanked me for it. He died in a motorcycle accident about 9 years later after having been very happily married to a different girl for 8 years and having wonderful two children..
The truth will out, decency and justice are not to be denied.. --Tyr

Yet again, Tyr ...